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Postby Piratis » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:56 pm

Especially with the recent developments and disclosure of what has happened to some southern TC land.


What happened to the TC land?
As I said in another post it seems that what the TCs are telling is: "Ours ours and Yours ours again".

They should give back the land they illegally occupy, and then their land will be given to them with no problem. Or you think is more fair that they should get their land back without giving our land back? So now that the 18% occupies 36% of the ground, they should also be given more land in the free areas?? You have to admit thats simply going to make something which is already very unfair, even more unfair.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:15 pm

Piratis,

I have to say that the mismanagement of the TC land in the south pales into insignificance compared to the literal looting of GC land in the north. Millions of pounds are being made by people in the north by selling property that does not belong to them.

However, in the RoC the rule of law prevails and TC's have equal recourse to the law in the south as any citizen has, therefore I have no problem with TC's that wish to reclaim their property AS LONG AS THEY RESIDE OR THEY INTEND TO RESIDE in the south.

This can only enhance and make it even plainer and obvious that what is happening in the north is illegal and to emphesise to the those people that are 'taking a chance' in the north that they will ultimately loose what they thought they bought.
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Postby michalis5354 » Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:22 am

The Turkish administration has recently blocked an EU funding equivalent to 259ml Euros aiming to improve the welfare of the TCs. So who is speaking about Isolation? Erdogan has recently demanded the lifting of isolation of the TCs but he fails to see that the isolation of them is the result of their illegal claims. The real one responsible for the isolation of TCs is Turkey. It is a big theatre that is being played.

Also signing a custom union with the ROC is also another kind of isolation of the TCs. If there are so sensitive about isolation and criticise all the rest apart of their own policies for 30 years now then It is not the right way to go.
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Postby brother » Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:59 pm

This is all pride politics but when the crunch comes i think the ROC will let the aid go through.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:31 am

ROC has no problem with aid to Turkish Cypriots. What ROC has a problem with is giving aid to help develop and sell off the stolen properties.
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Postby iskismet » Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:37 am

Mikkie2 - you said the rule of law applies.

But it is not lawless on the north side - the country (whether recognised by yourselves or not) has a government and laws.

The first question I have is this:

The majority of TCs handed their Deeds in and were allocated GC property proportional to what they had lost either between 1963 to 1974 and from 1974 on. So, as far as these people were concerned they had done no wrong - from that would you agree we cannot call them thieves?
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Postby -mikkie2- » Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:44 am

Iskismet,

IT IS THEFT PURE AND SIMPLE.

The land is not theirs. Why can't you understand this?

The 'state' in the north is illegal, it is not recognised by anyone other than Turkey. Thye whole system in the north is based on the theft of Greek Cypriot land. You talk about the rule of law in the north. WHAT RULE OF LAW?

In England if I steal someones car, make up some fake ID and documentation and then sell it on to someone who bought it in good faith, they do not have ownership and they have to hand the car back to the legal owner.

Now you are telling me that the TC's were given the land legally?

As long as this injustice continues in Cyprus there will never be a solution.
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Postby iskismet » Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:56 am

No Mikkie, as long as you think as you do there will be no solution.

I am asking you to try to look at things in a different way - the trouble is I cannot put myself in your place. So all you see is an outsider butting in. I can accept that.
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Postby iskismet » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:03 am

Mikkie

It is the obsession with legality that is the key to this.

Have you heard of the the expression 'I'll be right in heaven'?

It applies to a person driving a car along a road quite happily obeying all the rules.
He sees a car approaching which is on the wrong side of the road and he can see they are going the crash. Because he is obeying all the rules he says ' I'm driving properly, I'm not going to move out of the way'!

He was in the right, but now he is dead, and in heaven!
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Postby iskismet » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:06 am

Mikkie - how do you do the quote bit?
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