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Embargoe on Turkish Cypriots

Postby BigDutch » Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:50 pm

One often reads of the "unfair treatment of the TC's in the world" and how this unjust treatment must end.

Taking a snapshot at the situation as it stands today. I can't beleive that any educated people beleive that its the TC's that are embargoed - from what i can understand it is the illegal "Turkish Republic" that is "home" to the TC's that is under embargoe.
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Postby brother » Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:57 pm

Spin it as you please at the end of the day it is the people that suffer, and this must be recognised, as punishing the state illegal or not the people living under its control suffer.
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Postby iskismet » Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:45 pm

Hi BigDutch, and welcome.

English is my language but I can't follow your interpretation of it.

It's possible some words have different meanings where you come from - but please explain to me the practical difference of a country has an embargo against it and why that is different to the people having an embargo against them.

Or are you just being perverse?
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Postby BigDutch » Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:03 pm

Nope not being perverse at all.

Of course. Practically the residents in an embargoed place are effected ...... however if the reason for the embargo is removed then the residents will no longer be affected.

The "spin" used by Turkey/TC's/"TRNC" is that the world is punishing the actual people of the pseudo-state. When reality dictates that the pseudo-state/Turkey is the one causing the embargo.

EDIT : I don't think its right that any innocent people are made to suffer however i also don't think that the current situation in Cyprus with regards to partition and occupation is right.
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Postby metecyp » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:01 pm

I was born in the TRNC, I have all my family there. I had nowhere else to go and I had no choice about living in the TRNC. Now do you think that it was fair for me to get punished because I happenned to be on the other side of the Green line? That's what the embargoes do. They claim to punish the pseudo state but it's the ordinary people that cannot do anything get punished.
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Postby iskismet » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:08 pm

Whoa big dutch - now go to the thread labelled common sense.

If we can get past the petty arguments of whose fault is whose (and you have fallen into that trap) then you start a constructive dialogue - and we all benefit.
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Postby brother » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:15 pm

Sorry bigdutch but embargoes do not really punish the state it only works to punish its people.
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Postby brother » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:17 pm

And the tc are living proof of that for over 30 years.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:39 pm

Regular people suffer from the wrong doings of their leaders. Some times not only they suffer, but they die also (e.g. soldiers that are send to attack another country).

If Turkish Cypriots suffer today this is because part of the Republic of Cyprus is occupied by a foreign country. They could end their and our suffering (lets not forget our 200.000 refugees - a number larger than the whole population of TCs), by helping to remove this illegal situation in Cyprus. Unfortunately most TCs today support the continuation of illegality (others more and others less), and they want only their suffering to end while at the same time ensuring that the suffering of the GC refugees will continue indefinitely.

Nobody wants TCs to suffer, but they should understand that their well being can not come on the expense of the well being and human rights of some others. They should understand that they can not become richer by developing or selling land that does not belong to them, and they should realize that it is perfectly logical that we will try to stop such illegal actions.
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Postby iskismet » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:47 pm

Hi Piratis - But aren't you going off subject and onto dangerous ground with talk about property!!! Especially with the recent developments and disclosure of what has happened to some southern TC land.
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