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[-mikkie2-]

Bananiot,

Instead of doing an Anastasiades on us can you come up with some constructive critisism? How do you see the way we should go forward. What are your are your ideas and suggestions?

Arguing gets us nowhere very fast.

[mehmet]

A way forward?

Maybe Papadopoulos has some idea about that. How about trying to negotiate openly with the Turkish CYpriots?

[-mikkie2-]

Fact is, Mehmet, he will be negotiating with Turkey, not the Turkish Cypriots. Turkey forces TC politicians to tow her line. You name me a politician that will negotiate independently from Turkey.

Exactly, there are none!

[Bananiot]

I was going to accept the challenge, Mikkie, but then you ordinarily come up with the certainty of a thousand wise men that all TC politicians are pawns in the hands of Ankara and you leave no grounds for arguments. You are saying that we should not talk to TC's so we might as well negotiate with Martians.

So, we do not negotiate with the TC leadership and thus we never solve the cyprob. What do we have to lose? Is this how Papadopoulos thinks? I put to you that you have just proved my point. Papadopoulos's strategy is fast leading us to partition. Many people support this solution and support Papadopoulos for exactly this is where his chartered course is taking us. I wish that they would have the guts to say it truly and honestly.

[Piratis]

I believe it was a mistake to negotiate with TCs after the invasion.

The Cyprus problem today is a problem of invasion and occupation. The invader is Turkey, and we should negotiate and try to force them for a solution, and not the Turkish Cypriots. In any case, with the thousands of settlers in the north today (whose demands the TCs politicians have to satisfy if they want to be elected), the TCs have no voice.

Sure in Cyprus we have other internal problems and those problems we should be discussing with the Turkish Cypriots. But we should not be discussing with TCs about the Turkish troops, the settlers, the land that will be given back etc, because these are matters beyond the internal ones and only Turkey can solve them if/when she will be forced to do so.

Is their anybody that believes that Denctash or Talad can decide if Turkish troops will be withdrawn, or how many settlers will stay??? These are matters handled exclusively by Turkey, and the opinion of TCs counts maybe 1% on such kind of decisions. (one example is the settlers. If settlers didn't vote, and TCs had the power to take such decisions, they would have agreed to a way less number of settlers to remain. The fact that they didn't agree, reflects how powerless TCs are infront of Turkey and the controlling vote of the settlers.)

[brother]

well there is a lot of truth in what piratis said but at the end of the day the ROC who is aware of this makes no moves to assist the tc back in with there gc brothers, if this was done then turkey would have no leg to stand on and thinks would come to head.

But first you need someone who has the balls to want the tc to unite with the gc can anyone out there show me that gc.

[mehmet]

So we are wasting our time here, we should be calling this the Cyprus-Turkey Forum? I have suspected that the strategy being employed by Papadopoulos is to pretend our views don't matter, it seems he has persuaded some of his people also. What's really outrageous is the idea that Turkish Cypriots are pawns who shouldn't be regarded as having a voice. This is the bollocks that led to Denktas persuading Turkish Cypriots that Greek Cypriots have no wish to consider their opinion. And you wonder why we spend so much time debating how Turkish Cypriots as a Community need constitutional guarantees to ensure they are represented within new Cyprus republic.

[brother]

mehmet from what i can see tassos is playing a calculated game and it is in his agenda to divide the island.

[-mikkie2-]

I beg to disagree with you brother.

If that is what Papadopoulos wanted the problem would be solved straight away!

What Papadopoulos wants is for the TC's to exercise their rights under the RoC! Papadopoulos wants to undermine Turkey, not the TC's. Because without undermining Turkey, there is no way that the Cyprus problem will be solved.

We cannot negotiate with TC's at this moment in time. If Papadopoulos is correct in his thinking, I would suggest that Turkey will have little room to manouver once negotiations start. If Papadopoulos can make Turkish diplomacy over Cyprus impotent, then we can start talking with the TC's directly. I think that is the game that he is trying to play.

It is Turkey that is the problem, not the TC's. That is why Papadopoulos is doing what he is doing.

[Bananiot]

You are very revealing mikkie. You seem to agree with me here. I have been saying this all along Papadopoulos only pays lip service to a federal bicommunal bizonal Cyprus. He wants the TC's to exercise their rights under the RoC, you claim. Of course, this is obvious and this has been the policy of the man since 1960. He remains steadfast on this.

So, how could such a man support a plan, any plan, that provided for a federal state as we agreed in the late 70's?

For these reasons I claim thst Papadopoulos will only bring misery to Cyprus. He is chasing his fantasies and nothing good can come from this. We cannot close our eyes and pretend nothing happened in Cyprus since 1960. He is playing with fire but its Cyprus that will get burned.