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[MicAtCyp]

The above constitute blatant distortion of the A plan, for example, the plan does not call for all the settlers to stay but for 41000, a figure that Talat agreed and in excess of about 5000 from the figure acceptable by Papadopoulos. Lets see what we have today.

Ha, ha ,ha ha. So that much you know about the Anan Plan, right?
Go read the Anan Plan my friend and see what it says for those 45,000. Then explain me why Talat could not even reach that number when there are at least 120,000 settlers in the north?To make things easier for you heres what the Anan Plan says:

Citizenship: Handled automatically to everyone who is decendant of a Cypriot according to the records of 1963.
Citizenship by Naturalisation:Given to everybody who lived here for more than 9 years and he is now over 18
Citizenship by fascilitated Naturalisation:Given to everybody who is a spouce or child of someone who has or gets citizenship.
So according to these 2 clauses every settler who came here 9 years ago together with his children and spouce/s STAYS!
Then we go to the famous clause of the 45,000.
This list should include those who are here for more than 7 years. Linked with the other 2 clauses though it actually refers to the settlers having 7-9 years of stay. Can you now understand why Talat could not fill up that list to 45,000 names no matter how hard he tried? He included everybody who is here for 7-9 years and then some of the others who are more than 9 years but do not fullfil the required criteria, and thats it!

In the end it may seem that according to the Anan plan all those who don't fullfil the criterion of 9+ years plus those 45,000 of the list would leave. Alas, this is not so! Because it has another clause that says everybody can apply for citizenship if he explains the reasons.In this respect the regime in the North made sure to arrange this matter by registering all of them as decendants of TCs!There were cases that more than 50 settlers were registereds having the same paternal address in Nicosia as decendents of a dead TC!

Now tell me is it clear to you that according to the Anan Plan ALL SETTLERS WOULD STAY?.And not only that but settlers who were here in the past and left would come back asking for citizenship?

PS. For the sake of discussion lets assume that some would leave.Tell me who would be the one responsible or have the authority to deport them? Tell me what the Anan Plan says about it.

[Bananiot]

Apologies for long absence. Took a well deserved holiday but as from today back to ... square one!

I wonder if there is another member in this forum who interpretes the A plan regarding the settlers in the same way, that is, ALL of them will remain and perhaps more will be added in the list. Acording to my arithmetic, about 70 thousands will remain (of course this is no small number) but I cannot see any other way in which an agreed solution will come about which will call for the repatriation of all or at least the vast majority. This is a predicament, I agree, which is a direct result of the problem perpetuating for more than 30 years now. On top of this, I read in the newspapers today that in October alone a further 5 thousands people from Turkey settled in Cyprus!

I also think that someone with a "kind brain" (allow me this private insinuation) could interprete at will the plan and arrive at distorted conclusions of the type "Talat wants all TC's in the central government to occupy administrative positions" and then with the same kind of logic "Papadopoulos wants all GC's in the central government to be ... presidents".

[Bananiot]

Ok pandelis, I know the idiom, but perhaps you should know that I am not a teacher of english or english lit. However, being a true cypriot you probably think that teachers ought to know just about everything. Anyway, thank you for your honest answer and if I interprete it correctly, may I say that I disagree totally. I think you should also spell it out, some may not know the idiom.

[brother]

So this huge figure of people will stay what would you like to do about it, as they seem to be here for good alas we would like them to leave but........

[-mikkie2-]

MicAtCyp I think has pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Soon after the invasion there was a large influx of settlers to Cyprus. These initial 30-40 thousand will stay, together with their children. Then you have the list of 45000 then you have the people that will apply for citizenship. Bananiots 70K estimate looks very very conservative.

So, it looks like the vast majority will stay.

And what will we have in Cyprus? Another problem that is saved up to explode in the future. So what does this mean? It means that the GC's and TC's are being compromised at the expense of non Cypriots.

So Bananiot, thats ok for the sake of a solution! Well, in my book it isn't. I would prefer partition and let the TC's deal with the problems that will arise in the future! The TC's are shooting themselves in the foot by insisting on all these people staying.

My guess is that the dislike of the settlers is being subdued in the TC community. Well, they would considering there are 40000 Turkish soldiers there! But when they all go what will happen? Won't we see TC against Turk? Especially if they outnumber the TC's? Perhaps that is why the Turkish soldiers will stay in Cyprus in large numbers for 20 years under the A plan!

[brother]

Take the millatary out of the equation and then tc know what they want and settlers are definately out.

[Rahmi]

Take the millatary out of the equation and then tc know what they want and settlers are definately out.

Well, take the military out of the equation, it won't be long before the TCs follow the settlers.

[Piratis]

Well, take the military out of the equation, it won't be long before the TCs follow the settlers.

The truth is that thousands of TCs abandoned Cyprus because of the occupation and the abnormal situation in Cyprus. If the occupation ends and most of the settlers leave, thousands of TCs (and GCs) will be able to return to Cyprus.

The Turkish military serves exclusively the Turkish interests. (actually the interests of some Generals and some in the Turkish elite. The 99% of Turkish people would be much better off if the army in Turkey didn't have so much power)

[Rahmi]

The Turkish military serves exclusively the Turkish interests. (actually the interests of some Generals and some in the Turkish elite. The 99% of Turkish people would be much better off if the army in Turkey didn't have so much power)

I will not discuss Turkish politics with you. On that, you seem to have just opinion, not knowledge. If you convince me about the latter, than I would.

Of course the Turkish military serves the Turkish interests. Thanks to them TCs can still live in the island without fearing for their lives. This, you can speculate, they would have had under a unified Cyprus. But in the history of independent Cyprus there had never been a period of security for TCs from fanatics among GCs. Noone will come back to a Cyprus where for the last three decades GCs have been grinding their axes.

It seems more probable that the moment Turkish military leaves the island, a band of blood thirsty GCs will pass the Green Line to finish what they started in 63. It happened before. Not much changed on the south to suggest it will not again. You can't expect people to put their lives on a once lost gamble.

[Piratis]

For the last three decades Turkey illegally occupies 1/3rd of Cyprus. What you are saying are just the same old excuses of Turkey.

Remember that this is called the "Cyprus Forum", and everybody knows that your hate propaganda about "blood thirsty GCs that will kill all TCs" are just lies that try to exploit some events of the past for the benefit of Turkey itself and the loss of Cypriots (both GCs and TCs).
Such things do not pass here. Try somewhere else.

Until yesterday you just had to convince some foreigners and try to convince them about the unexcused and illegal occupation of Cyprus. Now things have changed. Your propaganda will not be enough, since without Cyprus agreement you will not be able to join the EU.

The faster you make your choice the better for you. If you are not going to join the EU, then start looking from now for closer partnerships with Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkmenistan etc, end forget about EU.

If you want to join the EU, then stop the hate propaganda and start explaining to the TCs how their "saviors" became their stranglers and prepare the ground for the withdrawal of your troops from our island.

Remember, EU is about very close cooperation between the countries of the union. What kind of union would it be if one member state was allowed to illegally occupy part of another?