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'Why won't Turkey become a full EU member before 2015?'

Benefits and problems from the EU membership.

Postby magikthrill » Tue May 10, 2005 6:48 pm

turkcyp wrote:On the flip side, I do not see the EU exists in its current form for long anyway. EU will turn itself into tow regions. One central Europe where more integration and the idea of federal Europe has more support, most probably by countries like France, Germany, Benelux, Austria and may be Italy and Spain. Classical traits of these countries are their anti-Americanism, their social model, and their way of managing economy with huge state influence.

And an outer circle compromised of the countries which value their sovereignty and which does not want to be ruled by France and Germany, and the countries which are geographically distant and economically undeveloped compared to the central Europe. Most probably these will be countries like UK, Scandinavian countries, Ireland, Greece, Portugal and the recent new comers. Classical traits of these countries are their Atlanticist approach, their anglo-saxon model of economic development, and their distance from the core.

If Turkey makes it into EU, and that is a big IF, it will only be to this outer circle.


I don't think this will be the case. For one thing, assuming this "break up" will occur you have it wrong as to developed vs. undeveloped. Don't forget Spain and Italy's budget deficits are almost as bad as Greece's.

Also, from my understanding, the only country that keeps bitching about EU powers is the UK, or the EU's prostate cancer as I like to call them. If anything goes down in the EU it will be because of the UK.
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Postby magikthrill » Tue May 10, 2005 7:17 pm

turkcyp wrote:Greece before entering EU was a developing country, and once they have entered into the EU they obtained huge EU funds so they did not have to transform their economies like the new comer 8. They have grown richer but they inherently have most of the structural economic problems that exits in central EU countries. The reasons they would be kept outside of the central core (and may be they would) is that the central core has got nothing to gain from Greece which is still a net taker of EU funds, and also its geography and due to its geography immigration problems coming with it. (they would not form a one big cohesive area, in the middle of Europe)


Hey all we want from the EU is the money. It doesn't seem like they've been helpful with anything else. So as long as the cash comes in we can be as out of the circle as possible :wink:
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Postby brother » Wed May 11, 2005 6:49 pm

Hey all we want from the EU is the money. It doesn't seem like they've been helpful with anything else. So as long as the cash comes in we can be as out of the circle as possible


You see that i like, a man not scared to say it the way it is, not in it for love but money, God bless capitalism. :lol:
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Postby magikthrill » Wed May 11, 2005 7:04 pm

brother wrote:
Hey all we want from the EU is the money. It doesn't seem like they've been helpful with anything else. So as long as the cash comes in we can be as out of the circle as possible


You see that i like, a man not scared to say it the way it is, not in it for love but money, God bless capitalism. :lol:


Yeah and yet my cocitizens seem to be starving nonetheless... Hmmm... not so sure capitalism is working for everyone :)
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Postby brother » Wed May 11, 2005 9:19 pm

Yeah and yet my cocitizens seem to be starving nonetheless... Hmmm... not so sure capitalism is working for everyone



Yehhhh....the rich get richer and the poor get screwed harder. :cry:
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Postby magikthrill » Fri May 13, 2005 2:19 am

turkcyp wrote:Two more immediate problems are the French and Dutch votes on the EU constitution in two weeks' time. Mr Erdogan protests that Turkey should not have been dragged into the debate on the constitution, since the two issues are quite unconnected. But the fact is that, in both countries, Turkey's putative membership has been a significant weapon for the no campaigns. The leaders of France and the Netherlands favour opening talks with Turkey. But if either country votes no, their governments will come under pressure at least to postpone, and possibly to call off, the negotiations with Turkey.


so wait, does this mean that the reason why the French will vote no (if they do - which they better!!!) is because they dont want Turkey part of the EU?? how does the constitution relate to this matter?
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