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[andri_cy]

Great post Issy hope GCs at least try to understand and acknowledge your arguements. A lot of what we post just goes over their heads.

I think maybe you just think it does. Or maybe you just dont give us enough credit.

[Viewpoint]

Great post Issy hope GCs at least try to understand and acknowledge your arguements. A lot of what we post just goes over their heads.

I think maybe you just think it does. Or maybe you just dont give us enough credit.

Thats the impression I personally get from many reponses of GCs on this forum they only read and understand what suits them and dont address the concerns of TCs who honestly express themselves like Issy.

[Issy1956]

VP,
I think that Andri and many of her fellow GC's do understand what I would term as the moderate TC point of view dont be fooled by some of the more extreme contribitors that you see on this site I think that they are just as much in the minority as some of the extreme nationalist that you see on the TC side. It is a pity however that the leaders on both sides seem to be drawn from the extremes of the political spectrum.
For many years we had a die hard partitionist in R.Dentash who genuinly believes as day becomes night that GC's and TC's cannot possibly live together, as the head of the TC's supported by a Turkish establishment that thought it had solved the Cyprob in 74 and they thought that they would always have the upper hand and they did not talk to the otherside in good faith. Now the tables are turned and we have a die hard GC ROC leadership holding a EU veto in their hand thinking that they will get everything they want (a GC dominated state witha TC minority) if they wait long enough-whats another 30 years in the context of a national struggle? In short we the TC's were poorly served by our previous leaders who would not comprise when they held the upper hand (and pressed on in their goal of achieving a TRNC state) and now the GC's with their present leaders who want to hold out for a win all scenario when they think they are holding the aces-risking a permanent partition. Our leaders are mirror images of each other. Perhaps we will have to wait for a younger generation of GC and TC leaders to emerge.
However the lives of ordinary GC's and TC's go on and we try and do the best we can in spite of our respective leaders and this is evident in todays news about GC's taking the money for their property in the north rather tha the land . This is people being pragmatic and practical. There may be hope for us after all.

[Viewpoint]

I would very much like to subscribe to your air of optimism but unfortunately living here on the island side by side with GCs and the rhetoric that continues to come form the south I do not have much hope for us every finding a solution that both sides would commit to 100%.

[andri_cy]

I would very much like to subscribe to your air of optimism but unfortunately living here on the island side by side with GCs and the rhetoric that continues to come form the south I do not have much hope for us every finding a solution that both sides would commit to 100%.

Maybe its not that some of us are optimistic but maybe you are a bit pessimistic. Are there people that hate the TC's and they dont care if they all vanish tomorrow? Sure. But I am certain there are people on the opposite side feeling the same about the GC's. Heck there are people not caring about each other no matter if they are the same race. But giving up and saying you dont have much hope you are either very pessimistic or you just enjoy the status-quo too darn much.

[Viewpoint]

I would very much like to subscribe to your air of optimism but unfortunately living here on the island side by side with GCs and the rhetoric that continues to come form the south I do not have much hope for us every finding a solution that both sides would commit to 100%.

Maybe its not that some of us are optimistic but maybe you are a bit pessimistic. Are there people that hate the TC's and they dont care if they all vanish tomorrow? Sure. But I am certain there are people on the opposite side feeling the same about the GC's. Heck there are people not caring about each other no matter if they are the same race. But giving up and saying you dont have much hope you are either very pessimistic or you just enjoy the status-quo too darn much.

The reality is there before you we live it everyday and its called status quo, we the people tried when asked to reunite, the one opportunity we had in 32 years was squandered by self serving greedy bigots. You have seen 2 years of politicla cat and mouse and you still are optimistic, well I am beyond fooling myself and prefer to see and accept the reality like many TCs that nothing will change with regards to a solution.

[andri_cy]

Self serving greedy bigots.... Do you by that mean the people that want their land back? I am not sure what I would do, I would probably take compensation for it and get on with my life, but as I am not in their shoes I do not know how they feel and what they think. I think that you should refrain from calling people names just because they didnt like the first plan someone came up with. So you accepted it-of course because it sounded good to you- but they have the right to refuse it right or wrong. Maybe with attitudes like yours, is why nothing will change in regards to a solution.

[Viewpoint]

Self serving greedy bigots.... Do you by that mean the people that want their land back? I am not sure what I would do, I would probably take compensation for it and get on with my life, but as I am not in their shoes I do not know how they feel and what they think. I think that you should refrain from calling people names just because they didnt like the first plan someone came up with. So you accepted it-of course because it sounded good to you- but they have the right to refuse it right or wrong. Maybe with attitudes like yours, is why nothing will change in regards to a solution.

Well if the cap fits wear it, that goes for everyone not just GCs although I still feel that your administration took no measures to ensure that the plan would be accepted by your side. I recall your leader stating he could not take on a country and hand over a state, this revealed a lot to me as he is old school and has declared his alligence to turning Cyprus into a Hellene island with us as a minority. So its really these people you should be asking why we do not have a solution.