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by **insan** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:47 am

As long as you have R.Denkatsh to determine your future and your leader - I guess you have no right to judge Papadopoulos - Othewise its like not seeing yourlsef in the mirror!

Don't worry about him michalis5354... you well know that he has been hit the ground on April 24th, by TCs and will have been kicked in the a** a few months later. It's your turn to do the same to T-Pap. What you said above doesn't make sense anymore, so why don't you try to put some better arguements instead of wasting your time, coomenting about an a**hole?

Ain't it clear to you that TCs don't want more trouble makers, instead of having 2 or more trouble makers around themselves; of course they would prefer just one and that is imbecile, self-seeker Turkish ruling elite, not embecile, self-seeker Hellen's ruling elite...

by **michalis5354** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:01 am

I am with the impression that R. Denktash is still the chief leader and he will not disappear anytime in the forseable future. Do you doubt this?

Why does he visit Turkey then? What for ? Why does he meet Erdogan ? Just to drink coffee this is very naive. He will not dissapear at all in the forseable future!

by **insan** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:58 am

I am with the impression that R. Denktash is still the chief leader and he will not disappear anytime in the forseable future. Do you doubt this?

He is not the chief leader anymore... Be sure of that he will fade out in few years time. He still has strong relations with some strong opposition groups of Erdogan.

Why does he visit Turkey then? What for ? Why does he meet Erdogan ? Just to drink coffee this is very naive. He will not dissapear at all in the forseable future!

He still try to take control of on-going events concerning Cyprus issue. As the current President of TRNC of course he can visit Turkey and meet with Erdogan to discuss the issues... There's nothing extraordinary with this.

The fact here is that; Erdogan does not want to provoke Denktash to face with extra headache because he gets enough headache due to Turkey's current internal and international affairs...Therfore, Erdogan takes pain to keep his relations with Denktash at a moderate level...

Maybe you'll remember, in last two years; some harsh words of Erdogan about Denktash had caused a big trouble between he and his oppositions... So, he should be wise. A good player, makes his/her correct move at the correct time.

by **michalis5354** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:20 am

Yes so you admit that he has some form of influence on the cyprus issue due to his links with some military circles in Turkey and thats enough. He has not been disappeared or even replaced by another TC with more moderate views on the issue. Why is that ?

The fact that is TCs president of course has a direct influence in Turkey. I remember how Erdogan was willing to proceed with a constructive approach on the issue and how Denktash stopped him immediately. Then do not come now and blame Tasos when you had Denktash over a period of 30 years ! This does not look fair to me!

Yes I do remember the fight of Erdogan with Denktash. Even Erdogan went further and said that Denkatsh had bad advisers. Who would ever think of such a scenario!

by **insan** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:52 am

Yes so you admit that he has some form of influence on the cyprus issue due to his links with some military circles in Turkey and thats enough.

Admission?!! :shock:

Well I haven't thought that I was being interrogated by Mr policeman Michalis5354. :lol:

He has not been disappeared or even replaced by another TC with more moderate views on the issue. Why is that ?

I couldn't understand what you mean here :roll:

Yes I do remember the fight of Erdogan with Denktash. Even Erdogan went further and said that Denkatsh had bad advisers. Who would ever think of such a scenario!

Ok then. Keep believing what you assume is right.

I'll not exert too much to make you believe what I said. So what is your suggestions to TCs? %65 of the registered population of North didn't listen to Denktash and voted in favour of Annan Plan. Moreover, they were encouraged by Erdogan to vote yes, despite Denktash crocodile tears. In the last elections, first time in North's history, %50 of the registered population of North didn't listen Denktashes, Eroglu and all other statusquoers and voted for the solution supporters. What else would you like TCs and Erdogan to do. Would you like us to assassinate Denktash? Tell us...

The fact that is TCs president of course has a direct influence in Turkey. I remember how Erdogan was willing to proceed with a constructive approach on the issue and how Denktash stopped him immediately. Then do not come now and blame Tasos when you had Denktash over a period of 30 years ! This does not look fair to me!

Ok. How you wish. If this will make you happy, we can wait for some 25 years to critisize and blame Tassos. Don't be ridiculous michalis5354... Both Tassos and Rauf are the same s**ts!

Ps: BTW how did you become a supporter of Tassos in few months time? A few months ago you were one of the most fiery opposer of him... :?:

by **michalis5354** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:50 am

R.Denktash is still there and have not been replaced given the fact that the majority of the TCs voted in favour of the UN plan. When he is still in power he is able to influence Turkey on a certain direction .R.Denktash has not been withdrawn completely and his mission on two separate states is well known.

What I was trying to say is that : by the same way you consider Tasos as dangerous . I also consider R.Denktash as Dangerous too. And what I said this man has not been withdrawn completely so he is still there as I watched him on TV calling Turkey Not to do this Not to do that: he was giving instructions to Turkey! how to handle the issue!

And dont get me wrong I support a solution to the problem!

by **michalis5354** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:22 am

Ok I can understand what you said about Denktash , but when I see him gives a wrong message to me : The same message that you get when you see Tasos! If he is being ignored or not Im not sure about this. As being the president of TCs with such a strong personality can not easily be ignored!

by **erolz** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:28 am

michalis5354 wrote:
do not think that Turkeys strategic interest in Cyprus is likley to disapear any time soon. However I think that Turkey would be 'happy' for the rest of the world to recognise the TRNC as a sovereign state. If this were to happen the links between the TRNC and Turkey would not disapear and neither would Turkey's ability to influence decisions made in the TRNC disapear

Thanks for claryfing that Turkey has the ultimate control of TCs and all these arguments about independe state for TCs are all B*****

With respect I suggest you read what was written rather than what you want to see. I wrote about 'influencing' decisions, you see an admission of ultimate control? Does the EU have ultimate control of GC? Does it have an ability to influence decisions in RoC? Does the power the EU has to influence (and in some cases dictate) decisions in the RoC mean that any arguments that the RoC is an independent state are BS?

by **brother** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:49 pm

Whatever you say when the time came we went over denktas and wanted reunification and this spring he is gone and even if he tried to stay and becomes a candidate he will lose, so we are getting rid of our a**ehole but what about tassos when is he leaving or can you go against him or do you like having a EOKA terrorist turned leader making your decisions.

by **mehmet** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:10 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/turkey/story/ ... 34,00.html

A view of the current situation from England.

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