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Treatment of GC's under Ottoman rule...

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Postby bg_turk » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:35 pm

Piratis wrote:Does that mean that if TCs are treated in the way that they treated us it will be fine with you? Is keeping your language and religion all you are asking for, and beyond that you can be treated as slaves and be expected to say "thank you" on top of that?

Taking events out of their historical context and judging them by present standards is an act of historical vandalism.

To say "thank you" because you could have killed us all (like you tried to do with the Armenians) but instead you prefer to keep us alive so you could use as like slaves.

Yes, we could have killed, slaughtered or assimilated you like France did with the Cathars, like the Spanish conquistadores did with the Berbers, like the British did with the native americans, like the Germans did the Jews. But the sultans speared you all, and let you smelly cypriot peasants practice your language and religion, so that you can today curse us for it all. If any of the sultans had even a little bit of far-sightedness they would have islamized and turkified you all and crushed the hellenistic nationalistic tumor in its nascence.

Ithen you should expect to be paid back in kind.

You did try to pay back to the Turkish Cypriots in 1974, I hope the next pay back will not turn as bad for you.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:46 pm

Taking events out of their historical context and judging them by present standards is an act of historical vandalism.

For the Turks nothing changed. They are the same barbarians as they have always been. 1500 or 1700 or 2000, they are still the same shit.

es, we could have killed, slaughtered or assimilated you like France did with the Cathars, like the Spanish conquistadores did with the Berbers, like the British did with the native americans, like the Germans did the Jews. But the sultans speared you all, and let you smelly cypriot peasants practice your language and religion, so that you can today curse us for it all. If any of the sultans had even a little bit of far-sightedness they would have islamized and turkified you all and crushed the Hellenistic nationalistic tumor in its nascence.


You tried but you failed. You butchered 100s of thousands of GCs during the Ottoman rule but you couldn't kill them all because otherwise who would produce something to pay you taxes? The Turks never produced anything themselves, they just knew how to steal what others created.

You did try to pay back to the Turkish Cypriots in 1974, I hope the next pay back will not turn as bad for you.


In 1974 it was just one of the usual barbarian raids against our island.
When we decide to pay back you will know it.
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:59 pm

Piratis wrote:You tried but you failed. You butchered 100s of thousands of GCs during the Ottoman rule but you couldn't kill them all because otherwise who would produce something to pay you taxes?

Oh stop your exaggerations and self victimizations. You were taxed the same as muslims, the additional sums that you had to pay were due to the fact that you did not want to join the Ottoman army and fulfil your duties as subjects of the Ottoman state. On the contrary, led by your Hellenistic nationalistic aspiratins, you constantly sabotaged the Ottoman authorities and intimidated its subjects by methods that today most accurately would be described as terrorism.

In 1974 it was just one of the usual barbarian raids against our island.
When we decide to pay back you will know it.

That is why I wished you good luck. Every time you attempt you feeble paybacks, you are faced with yet another catastrophe.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:19 pm

Exagerations??

Did you read even a bit from what the book in the initial thread said? Here is a quote from you friends the Americans:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.


Only the victims of Nicosia are mentioned. Many thousands were killed in the other towns as well. So here we have a minimum of 30-40 thousands killed within a single year!

About the reasons for the multiple times more taxes that GCs had to pay were is your source? Even if that was the reason, why the hell should the ones under occupation serve in the army of the occupation force?

That is why I wished you good luck. Every time you attempt you feeble paybacks, you are faced with yet another catastrophe.


Do you know about this, or you thought you are always victorious?
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:29 pm

Ottomans took slaves in 1489? Big deal! It was a standard practice at the time.
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Postby zan » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:32 pm

The very civilised Greek response to signed treaties HAHAHAHA or barbarians in Togas :lol:


By Loucas Charalambous - Cyprus Mail
April 17, 2005
THE MOST important document there is about the Cyprus problem is the ‘Akritas’ plan. It is incontrovertible testimony as to how the Cyprus problem was created in the form it has had for the last 42 years. Nobody should be allowed to talk about the Cyprus problem if he has not read the ‘Akritas’ plan.

Of course, most Greek Cypriots are completely in the dark about the history of their country’s troubles, something which constantly pushes them into making new mistakes. I would bet my life that among the hundreds of clueless and uneducated characters who appear in the media every day as journalists – supposedly to inform the public – you will not find 10 who would have read this document, which is the key to understanding the Cyprus problem. This bitter truth alone explains why we Greek Cypriots are rooted to a primitive level of politics.

In reality, the Cyprus problem was brought into being by this idiotic and nationally catastrophic plan. A plan, which, in Demetris Christofias’ phraseology, would have been describe as treasonous. It is a glowing monument of political stupidity and irresponsibility. The very same man who had signed the Treaty of Establishment for this state and his ministers, as soon as this state came into being, began plotting its dissolution. And for this purpose they set up an illegal organisation. Only in the minds of a Makarios, a Papadopoulos, a Yiorkadjis, a Kyprianou and a Lyssarides could such paranoid politics have found fertile ground.

The gist of this insane plan is included in the following few lines:

Stage 1: Create of the impression among international public opinion, that the Cyprus issue had not been solved correctly and condemn of the Treaty of Guarantee, “the first target of our attack”.

Stage 2: Seek amendment of negative elements of the agreements by all means. “We can even justify unilateral action.”

Stage 3: “Following the above action, the Treaty of Guarantee (right of interventions) is rendered legally and substantively unenforceable”.

Stage 4: “With Cyprus freed (from the treaties of Alliance and Guarantee) the people would be enabled to express and implement their desire.”

Stage 5: “Lawful confrontation by the forces of the state (police and friendly military troops) of any intervention from within or from outside because then we would be completely independent.”

This plan was not put together by people who had escaped from a mental hospital, as some may think. Its writers made it obvious that they knew very well they were playing with fire. The only parts of the document which are written in block capitals are those informing the recipients that leaking of it was tantamount to “high treason” and urging members of the organisation of their obligation to “destroy by fire”, once it had been read. They were obviously concerned that the Turks might have got wind of it.

This was the great plan, with which Mr Papadopoulos – the deputy chief of Akritas – and his fellow-fighters destroyed the Cyprus Republic, which, as he discovered 40 years later, by his own admission, was a “blessed solution”, even better than joining the EU. The achievement of Papadopoulos’ and his organisation’s national activities was truly impressive.

Within a few days, they had created the enclave between Nicosia and Kyrenia, in which they compressed a large number of the Turkish Cypriots. They laid the foundations of partition. Ten years later, the enclave was used by the Turkish invasion force as a bridgehead for its landing in Cyprus and, expanded by the troops, it evolved in the ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus’.

And now that readers know who had written, in Greek, the pro-Turkish Akritas plan, they should – to use Papadopoulos’ immortal words – “judge for themselves if this helped the Hellenism of Cyprus or our case…”
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Postby Piratis » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:37 pm

bg_turk wrote:Ottomans took slaves in 1489? Big deal! It was a standard practice at the time.


Sure, there is always an excuse for the crimes that Turks do.
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Postby Natty » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:38 pm

Hi, I could be wrong, but didn't the TC's suffer under the Ottomans as well? I've read about joint uprisings agians't the Sultan because of the high taxes people had to pay...I think it was more the TC 'elite' that were the 'upper classes'...
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Postby zan » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:41 pm

Piratis wrote:
bg_turk wrote:Ottomans took slaves in 1489? Big deal! It was a standard practice at the time.


Sure, there is always an excuse for the crimes that Turks do.



Careful, those Turks could have been Greeks then and decided to change sides.... :wink:
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:52 pm

Natty wrote:Hi, I could be wrong, but didn't the TC's suffer under the Ottomans as well? I've read about joint uprisings agians't the Sultan because of the high taxes people had to pay...I think it was more the TC 'elite' that were the 'upper classes'...


Turks in the empire were looked down upon by the Ottoman elite as dirty peasants. But of course this does not fit the picture of Turkish masters lashing and beating the poor Greek peasants that Piratis is trying to paint.

In fact the opposite happned. The Turks favored the Greek as the leader of the Rum millet, and put Greeks on top of the church. Fat Greek bishops walked around and robbed every christian village in the empire of its money, which created resntment especially among bulgarians and accelerated the creation of the independent Bulgarian excharchate.
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