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Postby Piratis » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:03 pm

bg_turk, you are great fairy story teller.

I give you a quote above where the Turks were kidnapping Cypriots to be sold as slaves, and 10s of thousands were killed by them within a year, and then you tell us that the Ottomans favored the Greeks. What other fairy tale you have for us?

Sure they had some priests to collect taxes for them. The priests were just the tax collectors. They were given no power. In fact during the Greek revolution the Ottomans cut the heads of all bishops in Cyprus just to be sure no revolt will happen here.

The revolution in Greece in 1821, together with information of a revolutionary movement in Cyprus, resulted in the execution of Archbishop Kyprianos on 9 July 1821 and Bishops Chrysanthos of Paphos, Meletios of Kitium, Lavrentios of Kyrenia, of the Abbot Josef of the Kykkos Monastery and other notables, clergymen and common people.
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Postby zan » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:06 pm

Greek Disinformation

Meanwhile , there were stirrings in Crete, Cyprus, Samos, Samothrace, Thessaly, Macedonia and Epirus. The hellenophiles and propagandists portrayed to the West the Ottoman's strong measures as "Turkish barbarity against the Christian people"26 The West, which closed its eyes and ears to the extermination of the Turks in Greece, began to raise its voice against the Ottoman reaction. The following leaflet distributed in August 1821 in Hamburg is very instructive:

"Invitation to the youth of Germany. The struggle for religion, life and independence is calling us to arms; humanity and duty are calling us to the aid of the noble Greeks, who are our brothers. We must sacrifice our blood and our life for the sacred cause. The end of Muslim rule in Europe is approaching. The most beautiful land of Europe must be saved from the monsters! Let us join the struggle with all our strength...God is with us, because this is a sacred cause-it is a cause of humanity-it is a struggle for religion, life and independence".1

The returning Western volunteers who witnessed the bloody events in the Peloponnese became the antodote for this hellenophile and Greek propaganda. Several French officers who returned from Greece to Marseilles in April 1822 described the Greeks as, "Vile, cowardly and ungrateful".24 A Prussian officer who had witnessed the Corinth massacres appealed to new volunteers on the point of departue:

"There [in Greece] you will find only misery, death and ingratitude. Don't believe what they tell you in Germany or Switzerland; believe what an old soldier is saying"

Another Prussian officer wrote the following:

"The Ancient Greeks no longer exist. The place of Solon, Socrates and Demosthenes has been taken by blind ignorance. The logical laws of Athens have been replaced by barbarism...The Greeks do not fulfil the attractive promises they make to the foreigners through the Press". 3
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Postby Sotos » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:12 pm

Zan, why do you copy and paste crap? You run out of your own shit? :lol:
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:14 pm

Piratis wrote:I give you a quote above where the Turks were kidnapping Cypriots to be sold as slaves, and 10s of thousands were killed by them within a year, and then you tell us that the Ottomans favored the Greeks. What other fairy tale you have for us?

You may wish to educate yourself on the history of the Bulgarian Excharchate.
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Postby zan » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:18 pm

Sotos wrote:Zan, why do you copy and paste crap? You run out of your own shit? :lol:



I am lazy...it is as simple as that. Why is it making you uncomfortable?

Murder of European Grecophile Volunteers

The Greek rebels went so far in their barbarities as to murder some of their foreign supporters, including many of whom that had come from Europe to help them. After the rebels captured the town of Nauplia, some Greeks led their foreign supporters into a sauna bath in the town and disposed of them. The Greek owner of the sauna persuaded the foreigners to take off their clothes so that when he murdered them their clothes and boots would not be bloodstained. He would then be able to sell them. Of course, the naive volunteers did not suspect what would befall them.11

The orgy of genocide in the Peloponnese ended only when there were no more Turks to kill. The philhellene volunteers who went to help the Greeks and began to return to their homelands in 1822 and 1823, could not save themselves from the nightmares of those terrible days. They were expecting many good things from the Greeks, but instead they were flabbergasted. They began to hate the Greeks for deceiving them.8,24,28,29 Despite pressure from Greek societiesin Europe, they began to put pen to paper about their own experiences. The following sentiment is typical of what they wrote:

"I am writing this so that others will not make the same mistakes that I have made. Modern Greece is not like old Greece. The Greeks are a wicked and barbaric race who have no gratitude"24
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Postby Sotos » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:37 pm

I am lazy...it is as simple as that. Why is it making you uncomfortable?


I just wonder if you are paid to copy Turkish propaganda or if it is because you have no life ;)
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Postby zan » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:43 pm

Sotos wrote:
I am lazy...it is as simple as that. Why is it making you uncomfortable?


I just wonder if you are paid to copy Turkish propaganda or if it is because you have no life ;)



I fight injustice where ever I see it and what you guys are trying to do to us, as if you haven't done enough, is pure evil and calculated at that. I wish I were getting paid. Do you know somewhere I can apply. Is it covered by EU cash because we have not got much to pay for things like this.


Here is a little poser for you to occupy your mind:

I am here because I have no life. What are you doing here?




Answer up the bottom…….
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Postby Sotos » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:48 pm

I am here because I have no life. What are you doing here?


I am having fun looking at monkeys like you. Something like going to a virtual zoo :lol:

I fight injustice where ever I see it and what you guys are trying to do to us


It will be a great injustice if you ever need to give our homes back to us! Keep fighting, keep walking Johnny :lol:
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Postby zan » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:52 pm

Sotos wrote:
I am here because I have no life. What are you doing here?


I am having fun looking at monkeys like you. Something like going to a virtual zoo :lol:

I fight injustice where ever I see it and what you guys are trying to do to us


It will be a great injustice if you ever need to give our homes back to us! Keep fighting, keep walking Johnny :lol:


If that is what my government wants then I will fight the good fight.
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Postby alexISS » Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:04 am

zan's source:
http://www.greekmurderers.net/index.php ... &Itemid=16

It's a stupid game you have started, let's see if you're gonna like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Turkism

Voltaire characterised the Turks as:

"tyrants of the women and enemies of arts".

He also spoke of the need:

"to chase away from Europe these barbaric usurpers"

He accused the Turks of having destroyed Europes ancient heritage from :"the Orient’s Christian realm" and wrote:

"I wish fervently that the Turkish barbarians be chased away immediately out of the country of Xenophon, Socrates, Plato, Sophocles and Euripides. If we wanted, it could be done soon but seven crusades of superstition have been undertaken and a crusade of honour will never take place. We know almost no city built by them; they let decay the most beautiful establishments of Antiquity, they reign over ruins."

Cardinal Newman described the Turks in the 1926 book The Blight of Asia as:

the "great anti-Christ among the races of men." [13]

He also said:

“The barbarian power, which has been for centuries seated in the very heart of the Old World, which has in its brute clutch the most famous coun­tries of classical and religious antiquity and many of the most fruitful and beautiful regions of the earth; and, which, having no history itself, is heir to the historical names of Constantinople and Nicaea, Nicomedia and Caesarea, Jerusalem and Damascus, Nineva and Babylon, Mecca and Bagdad, Antioch and Alexandria, ignorantly holding in its possession one half of the history of the whole world.”[14]

William Ewart Gladstone former British Prime Minister was quoted in the same book as saying:

“Let me endeavor, very briefly to sketch, in the rudest outline what the Turkish race was and what it is. It is not a question of Mohammedanism sim­ply, but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a race. They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disap­peared from view. They represented everywhere government by force as opposed to government by law.—Yet a government by force can not be main­tained without the aid of an intellectual element.— Hence there grew up, what has been rare in the his­tory of the world, a kind of tolerance in the midst of cruelty, tyranny and rapine. Much of Christian life was contemptuously left alone and a race of Greeks was attracted to Constantinople which has all along made up, in some degree, the deficiencies of Turkish Islam in the element of mind!”[15]

David Lloyd George former British Prime Minister said in 1914 that:

The Turks are a human cancer, a creeping agony in the flesh of the lands which they misgovern, rotting every fibre of life ... I am glad that the Turk is to be called to a final account for his long record of infamy against humanity. [16]
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