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[-mikkie2-]

The opening of the gates was ordered by Turkey.

What about the de-minining of the buffer zone? GC's have started de-mining. The Turks have done nothing.

Why do the TC's insist on the GC's showing passports when the TC's can come and go as they please?

Why do the TC's put restrictions on their own people to buy goods in the south?

The GC's have given a list of ALL TC's that are missing and where their likely location is. The TC's are STILL dragging their feet as to the whereabouts of the 1400 GC missing.

The TC's get FREE medical care in the south.

The list can go on and on.

You give us the opportunity to see our stolen homes, you get the opportunity to work, use the social services for FREE, use the hospitals for FREE, get your EU passports for FREE, all off the backs of the GC's.

[erolz]

The opening of the gates was ordered by Turkey.

Say who? And even if it was, where the benefits any less different?

What about the de-minining of the buffer zone? GC's have started de-mining. The Turks have done nothing.

A commendable act. I hope we start demining on our side soon.

Why do the TC's insist on the GC's showing passports when the TC's can come and go as they please?

Er when first I crossed the border I had to show my TRNC identity card and my father passport and birth certificate!

Why do the TC's put restrictions on their own people to buy goods in the south?

Because it necessary to protect TRNC business from unfair competition. The TRNC says that good bought in the RoC (over the value of 50 euros) should be subject to the same import duties as any other goods.

The TC's get FREE medical care in the south.

The list can go on and on.

You give us the opportunity to see our stolen homes, you get the opportunity to work, use the social services for FREE, use the hospitals for FREE, get your EU passports for FREE, all off the backs of the GC's.

Well we get the 'opportunity' to be forced ecconomicaly to accept the RoC as the sole legitimate government of all of Cyprus and all Cypriots. These 'gifts' that you list are clearly not 'gifts' but actualy attempts at bribes and are clearly politicaly motivated. That's why these wonderful gifts are taken up by so few TC.

[-mikkie2-]

Well we get the 'opportunity' to be forced ecconomicaly to accept the RoC as the sole legitimate government of all of Cyprus and all Cypriots. These 'gifts' that you list are clearly not 'gifts' but actualy attempts at bribes and are clearly politicaly motivated. That's why these wonderful gifts are taken up by so few TC.

Clearly politically motivated? Bribes? Yeah, right! Anything the RoC does is done for no other reason than to impress. I guess just in the same way that Turkey is trying to impress by working 'so hard' for a solution!

[Piratis]

How easily you equate TC with Turks, when it suits.

You are equating yourselves by supporting all their actions. I am talking about the suffering that Turks caused to Cypriots on this island since the Ottomans. Now if you are not coming from the Ottomans, and you are not Turks either, then what do you want me to call you? The only other alternatives are Cypriots that became muslims and adopted Turkish, or aliens that drop from space. What do you prefer?

Just in case you wonder, I am Cypriot that has Greek as native language, and I want to live in a democratic country were all people are treated equally.

[boulio]

erolz it was a great publicity stunt by the t/c-turkey to open the border gates and a way to draw imense revenue,was it not?

secondly from people i work with who have gone the last two summers to cyprus and have returned to the north,the images were disturbing as they say,there oppupied homes in shambles churches destroyes,grave yards dececrated and fields were once the best oranges and mandarines in all the med were grown have been turned into grazing fields were the settlers raise goats.is this also a cynical ploy on THE G/C PART?

[erolz]

How easily you equate TC with Turks, when it suits.

You are equating yourselves by supporting all their actions.

No YOU are equating TC with Turks. You say you are doing this because TC support Turkish actions, but actually you are doing it to try and 'absolve' GC of their actions (by saying even if GC did oppress TC it's nothing compared to how Turks oppressed us).

I am talking about the suffering that Turks caused to Cypriots on this island since the Ottomans.

see !

Now if you are not coming from the Ottomans, and you are not Turks either, then what do you want me to call you?

TC or CT will do fine. Or to be acurate half TC/CT half english. That does not make me Turkish whatever you say or think.

[erolz]

erolz it was a great publicity stunt by the t/c-turkey to open the border gates and a way to draw imense revenue,was it not?

Clearly it was a publicity stunt, because it was an action of TC. A publicity stunt that has none the less probably done more positive good re unity on the island than anything since 74. Of course all the things you mentioned re GC 'moves' are not publicity stunts because they were done by GC!

secondly from people i work with who have gone the last two summers to cyprus and have returned to the north,the images were disturbing as they say,there oppupied homes in shambles churches destroyes,grave yards dececrated and fields were once the best oranges and mandarines in all the med were grown have been turned into grazing fields were the settlers raise goats.is this also a cynical ploy on THE G/C PART?

No it is 'propaganda' at least the way you present it. It the same old 'stories'. Actually the vast majoirty of former GC homes are well looked after and most have been substatialy improved, unlike those TC properties under the 'care' of the GC administration. The churces have been destroyed have they?

I am not the one comming here and saying GC have done lot's of positive things and TC have done none. That TC have destroyed homes and religious sites and GC have done nothing but care for them. It is you that is comming here saying these things. I am simply trying to make you realise and understand that what you consider to be the truth and facts is in reality little more than a totaly biased one sided view based on propaganda and not on reality. Maintain such a distorted view if it makes you feel better but do not expect to not have such a distorted view left unchallenged.

[Alasya]

I wish you luck. My friends and I are planning to hold our own demonstration in Ottawa shortly.

Mes salutions decontractes de Montreal! / Montreal`dan bol bol selam!

[boulio]

I am not the one comming here and saying GC have done lot's of positive things and TC have done none

actually i said turkey has done nothing.

concerning the border gates you say that THE T/C opened them,fine.who would give that order?RAUF dektash correct?wasent he against the annan plan and always said that turks and greeks cannot live together?if he opened the gates what was he hoping for?publicity stunts can sometimes backfire?

[Alasya]

boulio,

I agree with erolz on this issue, the vast majority of Greek Cypriot properties in the North are well kept, however the same cannot be said for Turkish Cypriot properties in the South. Efforts were certainly made by our "peaceful and friendly" Greek Cypriot compatriots in the South to make sure Turkish Cypriots could never return to their homes.

I do not take kindly to Piratis accusing T/Cs of stealing AGAIN. T/Cs like G/Cs in the South moved into vacant properties after 1974 as there was nowhere else to go. These so called "thieves" were fleeing G/C ethnic cleansing in the South, abandoning their homes and possessions in the South, which their "lovely" G/C neighbours did not hesitate to loot at will.

Moving into G/C property in the North after 1974 was the only practical option when faced with a growing refugee problem caused by Greek Cypriot agression toward Turkish Cypriots in the South, this is after all what created the climate for Turkeys intervention. It was also because refugee camps in the North, the area liberated by the Turkish Army could only be used for temporarily and the ceasefire was not originally meant to last 30 years.