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[humanist]

I cannot comment on that VP. My understanding is that Greek Cypriots are not allowed to settle back in the North, by the current regime. If you have further information to share please do so.

[humanist]

well if its 30% so be it, then, as I said in a post last night I would even go a step further and suggest that the best candidate win Presidency. If I was living in Cyprus and I agreed with the policies, priciples and values of a Turkish Speaking Cypriot candidate for presidency I would vote for them.

[Kikapu]

I've been over the border a few times, and always enjoyed meeting Turkish Cypriot people, they are friendly and not pushy at all when you go shopping or have a coffee.

Tell it to VP. I don't think he had his coffee this morning, because he is acting very cranky.

So Kikapoulous what do you think a 2 state solution where people can decide for themselves where they want to live?

You will have to define what you mean by 2 states. Do you actually mean 2 countries or 2 states under one government, much like the USA.

2 countries as we have been unable to agree the federal level, where TCs and GCs are free to settle in either one. If at a later stage trust and understanding can be established and the states wish to unite for mutual benefit then the people may decide.

VP,

I don't know just how much effort has gone into a "Federal" system, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and say a lot of effort had gone into it, but it produced no results, for what ever reasons. So, if the Federal system could not be agreed on, how on Earth do you expect anything to be agreed on 2 countries.??

Let's just say we did have 2 countries. Then the GC's and TC's would have to "immigrate" to another country, within their country, if they wanted to go to the "other side". They might as well immigrate to TUVALU, some place far away. This will never fly..sorry.!!

I understand that we all want to manage our lives away from the other community. If you set up a "forced" 2 countries, all you doing, is creating another Israel- Palestinian situation. This is what I meant the other day to you, when I said, what will happen, if the Turkish Army was not there to protect you any more, which you asked back, whether that was meant to be a threat against you ?. No it was not a threat against you VP as an individual, it would be a threat to my TC community.

We can also have a much friendlier and peaceful existence between the communities on a Federal, 2 state system. Since you don't seem to care if the GC's would come and live in a 2 country system, then it should be also good for them to come and live in a USA style Federal system. We still get to control our own state, for the most part. If 50 states can manage it it in the USA, we should be able to manage 2 in Cyprus, and if we are all that stupid, as to not to manage this task, then I don't think we deserve either a 2 state or 2 country solution. So instead, we will have more of the same.

[humanist]

I like what you said kikapu / poulos (sorry just kiddin from a previous post)

[zan]

VP,

I don't know just how much effort has gone into a "Federal" system, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and say a lot of effort had gone into it, but it produced no results, for what ever reasons. So, if the Federal system could not be agreed on, how on Earth do you expect anything to be agreed on 2 countries.??

Let's just say we did have 2 countries. Then the GC's and TC's would have to "immigrate" to another country, within their country, if they wanted to go to the "other side". They might as well immigrate to TUVALU, some place far away. This will never fly..sorry.!!

I understand that we all want to manage our lives away from the other community. If you set up a "forced" 2 countries, all you doing, is creating another Israel- Palestinian situation. This is what I meant the other day to you, when I said, what will happen, if the Turkish Army was not there to protect you any more, which you asked back, whether that was meant to be a threat against you ?. No it was not a threat against you VP as an individual, it would be a threat to my TC community.

We can also have a much friendlier and peaceful existence between the communities on a Federal, 2 state system. Since you don't seem to care if the GC's would come and live in a 2 country system, then it should be also good for them to come and live in a USA style Federal system. We still get to control our own state, for the most part. If 50 states can manage it it in the USA, we should be able to manage 2 in Cyprus, and if we are all that stupid, as to not to manage this task, then I don't think we deserve either a 2 state or 2 country solution. So instead, we will have more of the same.

So let the RoC give us what we want with a smile on their faces and a wish of good luck. Thats all it needs.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapoulous let me start with your last sentence, we are just that, stupid as the past 47 years have revealed, we are incapable of creating a united island and living together so to me the best and safest solution is to agree something that would allow us to bring this problem to a close with the minimum of fuss and risk. The current situation has worked for over 32 years, the only problem is the rights of refugees and land distribution. Lets allow refugees the right to choose between returning and compensation, allow freedom of movement and settlement, level out the playing field and then work on a federal structure, if that's what both sides want. The right to recognition is not purely the right of the GCs we to have that right and if we are to establish equal rights for everyone for example with army departure, settler adjustments etc then recognition also has to be addressed this right cannot be the exclusive right of Gcs alone. Once you have created the level playing field then lets talk federation, what do you think about that?

[cypezokyli]

Kikapoulous let me start with.....

the fact that you decided to add a greek ending to kikapus name is disgusting. you have used it already a number of times, and allow me to say it makes you no different from our nationalists.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapoulous let me start with.....

the fact that you decided to add a greek ending to kikapus name is disgusting. you have used it already a number of times, and allow me to say it makes you no different from our nationalists.

Well seeing that he is closer to GC assimilation than many I thought I d help him along and give him a taste of what his name would be live when he joins his GC brothers.

[DT.]

Kikapoulous let me start with.....

the fact that you decided to add a greek ending to kikapus name is disgusting. you have used it already a number of times, and allow me to say it makes you no different from our nationalists.

Well seeing that he is closer to GC assimilation than many I thought I d help him along and give him a taste of what his name would be live when he joins his GC brothers.

kick him VP, he's disagreed with you. Get rid off him. He's no Turkish Cypriot. Shut him up. He belongs in the south.

ANyone else wanna disagree with VP? And don;t give me any crap about having evidence and providing logical arguments, you disagree with VP you disagree with your nation.

SOon as I see another one of these uncle Tom's I'll let you know VP.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapoulous let me start with.....

the fact that you decided to add a greek ending to kikapus name is disgusting. you have used it already a number of times, and allow me to say it makes you no different from our nationalists.

Well seeing that he is closer to GC assimilation than many I thought I d help him along and give him a taste of what his name would be live when he joins his GC brothers.

kick him VP, he's disagreed with you. Get rid off him. He's no Turkish Cypriot. Shut him up. He belongs in the south.

ANyone else wanna disagree with VP? And don;t give me any crap about having evidence and providing logical arguments, you disagree with VP you disagree with your nation.

SOon as I see another one of these uncle Tom's I'll let you know VP.

Im just helping where I can, sounds rather good dont you think Kikapoulous....the odd are against him as he shows the signs already and hell end up there sooner or later