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[shahmaran]

I will say sorry for the 1% of blame that we have, when you say sorry for the 99% of blame that you have. In fact, even that 1% of our blame wouldn't be there if your fathers just stayed in Mongolia instead of invading and stealing the lands of others. Then again thats the only thing those barbarians knew how to do, and as I see the Turks didn't get any more civilized since then.

My god Piratis you really are one of a kind arent you, so what the Greek empire spread its shit by handing out flowers? stop being so racist man seriously, and i never understood why Greek people always insult the poor Mongolians when they want to insult us, what ever have they done to you! you know there are plenty of "original Turks" who form a part of China, so you going to insult the Chinese history as well? stop being so bitter because we owned your sorry asses for hundreds of years, we were obviously doing something better do you actually know anything that is not infected and totally distorted by your racist views of the world? God it must truly suck to be you!

[pitsilos]

the hans ain't to fond of the huns mate.

[shahmaran]

point?

[bill cobbett]

I would say that since about the late Autumn of 1974 all the solutions that I have heard and read about include, from the outset a most woeful surrender to the vile aggression of the Turkish state and its army and a denial of the idea that Cyprus and both of its peoples might enjoy the same rights that exist almost everywhere else in the world and certainly in the rest of the EU. I heard it from his saintness Makarios, from Clerides, from Annan and from others through to the present day, when they talked and still talk about cantons, bi-communal confederations, bi-zonal federations etc.

To my mind solutions must start not at a cease-fire line that was reached by force of arms but at a basic and fundamental appraisal of the rights and responsibilities of all Cypriots in the light of international law, of human rights law and the relevant chapters of the EU.

It further worries me that all these "solutions" include within them the maintenance and legitimisation of a Turkish occupation force. One which will not only continue to make its presence felt in the north but through its legitimacy will have an increased influence on the affairs of the south. Members will, I hope, not be fooled by any any references to this continued presence being an interim state of affairs. Once you ask the Turkish army to stay it will stay for good and through it you get the increased influence of the Turkish state.

I also believe that these "solutions" are unstable in that because they are contrived, they leave room for grievances and hence future conflict. In simple terms everyone must be happy, everyone must end up a winner. For instance, would you expect several thousand people to be happy if we were told that in order to enable a supposed greater good, they would have to give up their ancestral homes? You will all know what a ridiculous attachment Cypriots have for their lands and to their old villages. In the same way, would you expect northern Cypriots to be happy if the rights and security of that community were not fully respected?

There can only be one stable solution and that is one sovereign member state of the EU without internal borders.

[zan]

Bill the only attachment left in the GC mind to so called ancestral land is how much is it worth. All this rubbish about there attachment has long gone and I am sorry to the people that are still alive to remember but the point at which to start negotiations is from where you are and not from a romantic or wishful position that has to involve massive discomfort to get there in the first place. We have a firm line that runs through the island, saying it should not be there is one thing, ignoring when talking is another. The RoC has done such a good job in persuading people to not look at it that people are hiding behind their hands.

[Viewpoint]

I will say sorry for the 1% of blame that we have, when you say sorry for the 99% of blame that you have. In fact, even that 1% of our blame wouldn't be there if your fathers just stayed in Mongolia instead of invading and stealing the lands of others. Then again thats the only thing those barbarians knew how to do, and as I see the Turks didn't get any more civilized since then.

This attitude proves Rauf Denktas right, yet again....

[ken910]

pitsolas u r a very very twisted man to the facts ha very disapointing that people like you r still around

[pitsilos]

k.k.k.k.ken because the hans ain't fond of the huns, somehow i'm to blame?

why not ask the hans k.k.k.ken?

[zan]

I will say sorry for the 1% of blame that we have, when you say sorry for the 99% of blame that you have. In fact, even that 1% of our blame wouldn't be there if your fathers just stayed in Mongolia instead of invading and stealing the lands of others. Then again thats the only thing those barbarians knew how to do, and as I see the Turks didn't get any more civilized since then.

Your so-called 1-% is the pulling of the trigger. The bullet flies out of the gun and you try to distance your self from what havoc it reeks after that. Bullshit! There is not a court in the land that would swallow that one except for the useless UN and the expansionist EU. Even they are now blushing at their decision and your 1-% is having the two 00's put back in their rightful place as 100%. Prisons are full of people like you that say they did not do it when their fingerprints are all over the gun.

[ken910]

pitso;as admitted u hate turks because they burst youre buble ha nothing else youre hellenic dream is gone pease except it u no longer bring any value to human race just bigotry