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Postby Alexandros Lordos » Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:35 am

I don't know, people, I've read the Haravgi article, and this whole business seems to be nothing more than a private initiative by a group of European academics/constitutional experts, who found the Annan Plan legally repulsive. It doesn't seem to be an officially sanctioned EU project, and I don't think it will lead to anything - except perhaps to raise awareness amongst Europeans about the weaknesses of the Annan Plan.

Sorry to be so glum, I really hope I am wrong ... :?

By the way, does anyone have a link to an English translation of the relevant Kibris article?
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Postby Saint Jimmy » Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:15 am

Alexandros Lordos wrote:I don't know, people, I've read the Haravgi article, and this whole business seems to be nothing more than a private initiative by a group of European academics/constitutional experts, who found the Annan Plan legally repulsive. It doesn't seem to be an officially sanctioned EU project, and I don't think it will lead to anything - except perhaps to raise awareness amongst Europeans about the weaknesses of the Annan Plan.


But, even if that's true, has there ever been something like that??? I mean, this could (potentially) really raise the issue of EU active implication in the negotiations process, if not the actual preparation of a plan...? If something is, in fact, cooking (either official or private), I think it can be pretty big, I mean as a step...
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Postby boulio » Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:07 am

it dosent seem to be a eu project as alexandros stated,what is very interesting is that it will be sent to all the respective parties and presented to the eu parliment and commision for consideration for adoption,can a basically non-govermental citizen of the EU do that?
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Postby erolz » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:11 am

Yes I have to admit I understood it incorrectly initaly as being an offical EU iniative (thanks for putting me right Insan then Alexandros). This is very deifferent. Whilst I have a certain degree of faith in the EU (as an institution) to seek to a fair balance and consider both communites concerns I have no such faith in a group of private indivudals who have taken it on themselves to do so - especially as their objective seems to be to show the failings of the Annan plan in the first instance. This seems a more likely case of potential 'lubrication' to me.
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Postby insan » Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:39 am

It seems to me a counter-action of Christian Democrats, against Turkey's UN efforts. That is to say just another attempt to lay mines on Turkey's EU road. I suspect a Hellen lobbying action too.
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Postby Bananiot » Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:14 am

Cyprus Broadcasting Corporation reported first the event and right from the begining I suspected that something was not right. The way it was reported left no doubt that there was something amiss. Some friends the next day claimed that the group of experts were probably paid by the rejectionists who are preparing the public opinion in case the Anan plan is placed in front of us again, even in a modified form. The attics of the government leave no doubt that they do not care for a solution based on the A plan and this is the reason why they will not seek negotiations right now, despite Erdogan's expressed willingness to start another round of talks.
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Postby Alexandros Lordos » Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:25 am

From the Haravgi article, I discerned the following three elements in this "European Plan":

- No "Virgin Birth": The new state will be the straight legal continuity of the RoC.

- No "Treaty of Guarantee": Cyprus will have the "right of self-defense".

- No international judges in the Supreme Court: This might have implications on the whole system of power sharing ...
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Postby Bananiot » Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:39 am

Has anyone seen a follow up to this story?
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Postby brother » Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:25 pm

Why is everyone so blind to the fact that tassos will delay any kind of negotiation till Octber when he thinks he can blackmail Turkey and in his little mind get huge concessions.

This new initiative is a scam and clearly designed to give tassos another ace in his pocket, even so the one constant truth remains and that is for the statements coming from various ministers in the south, expect no new initiative for at least six months.
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Postby brother » Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:26 pm

Also for the record bananiot i would not expect any new follow ups.
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