Kurdish Republic of Eastern Turkey (KRET)
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| Get Real! wrote: |
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| Sssshhh - he's looking up what 'autochthonous' means |
You're going to teach me Greek words?  |
You tell him GR
Cyprus was great against RoI. The luck of the Irish. What can one say. Cyprus deserved to win by a mile. |
You should see what the Irish fans are posting on their forums right now... "We should've lost 3-0" etc... 
I nearly fainted with that equalizer... |
My heart sunk. Genuinely. As you said last year, in the Cyprus Today forum, you do have great players. No doubt about that.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:55 am |
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| shahmaran wrote: |
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@Shahmaran
You mean kind of like yourself and your "clever" reply to my post? 
I've made a note of you... The fascist *slash* racist, hypocrit guy... 
But don't worry - I won't break your nutt of a brain with my overwhelming logic and reason... It'll probably be too much for you to comprehend...
A minor assertion: the DTP and the PKK do not represent the Kurdish people.
I'm an anti-PKK Kurd, seeking home rule, not division... |
How cute I suggest you come out straight and affirm your stance on the matter, rather then dance around it, so we can actually get down to business...
To be honest i have nothing to be clever about the Kurdish "situation" in Turkey and i respect anyone who respects our borders and i do realize Turkeys mistakes towards the minorities and towards its own people as a matter of fact, however I still cant help but wonder, who does ACTUALLY represent the non-violent and extremist Kurdish people? Because i have nothing against Kurds as a race and nothing against no race in specific to be honest, just against the ones who seem to think killing Turks in Turkey, and attacking "Turkishnes" abroad will get them their independent state, those are the people i severely oppose to and if you are one of them *which you claim you are not* then i advice you to mark my name down in capital letters! |
Update:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/turkey/story/0,,2198901,00.html |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:05 am |
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| LOL. Sha, your proven to be a parrot of the Turkish kind. Talk to us with YOUR OWN mind and words. All we're asking from you is just to be genuine. Deep down your hated mindset, your probably a decent guy with unknown agendas. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:06 pm |
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Growuptcs, judging buy your previous insults and "genuine" racist comments, i wouldn't even take you seriously enough to spit on you, let alone waste my precious time constructing serious counter arguments for your idiocy. If you want someone to play with then i suggest you look in between your legs where you usually find most of your answers.
On the other hand Phoenix, please show me the relevance of your link, if you are talking about the Iraqis flying over being the representatives of the terrorists then you are mistaken, these are the people that Turkey is supposedly fighting against the terrorists with. Iraq's sorry attempt to resolve the situation through "talking"
The PKK does not represent everyone there, Talabani has already stated that they do not have the means to stop the PKK and they are refusing to hand in the 12 key leaders within the group, yet somehow they are still expecting us to stop a violent terrorist group with diplomacy, or by simply asking them to drop their weapons or leave Iraq (!!) either way they have until the 5th of November for some solid action, well the US does anyway, and then Turkey is moving in regardless of what anyone says. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:35 pm |
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| I guess the wheel has turned. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:02 pm |
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| shahmaran wrote: |
On the other hand Phoenix, please show me the relevance of your link, if you are talking about the Iraqis flying over being the representatives of the terrorists then you are mistaken, these are the people that Turkey is supposedly fighting against the terrorists with. Iraq's sorry attempt to resolve the situation through "talking"
The PKK does not represent everyone there, Talabani has already stated that they do not have the means to stop the PKK and they are refusing to hand in the 12 key leaders within the group, yet somehow they are still expecting us to stop a violent terrorist group with diplomacy, or by simply asking them to drop their weapons or leave Iraq (!!) either way they have until the 5th of November for some solid action, well the US does anyway, and then Turkey is moving in regardless of what anyone says. |
The relevance is to do with the fact that Turkey is going to be given its marching orders out of the Iraqi border.
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The US has expressed its alarm at such a prospect, urging Turkey to desist from a military strike that could destabilise one of Iraq's few peaceful regions.
The US secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice is to visit Turkey early next month to try to reduce tensions between Ankara and Iraq. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:50 pm |
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I would post you the news i have been reading today, largely titled "We cannot trust the US", unfortunately they are in Turkish, however the situation here is not half as US dependent as it might seem so, the media here is talking about the blatant 2 timing stance the US is currently taking by trying to hold us back, regardless of the attacks, while having serious connections with PJAK, which is another terrorist extension of the PKK working within Iran.
Like i said, the US has been given till the 5th for some real action, after that AKP has no choice left but to move in or it will be their heads on a plate, Turkey does not need US approval as much as everyone likes to think she does, there is nothing they can do to stop us, specially not the US when they fly half way across the globe to "rebuild" a country, and they want to tell us what to do about our own borders?!? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:00 pm |
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| shahmaran wrote: |
I would post you the news i have been reading today, largely titled "We cannot trust the US", unfortunately they are in Turkish, however the situation here is not half as US dependent as it might seem so, the media here is talking about the blatant 2 timing stance the US is currently taking by trying to hold us back, regardless of the attacks, while having serious connections with PJAK, which is another terrorist extension of the PKK working within Iran.
Like i said, the US has been given till the 5th for some real action, after that AKP has no choice left but to move in or it will be their heads on a plate, Turkey does not need US approval as much as everyone likes to think she does, there is nothing they can do to stop us, specially not the US when they fly half way across the globe to "rebuild" a country, and they want to tell us what to do about our own borders?!? |
Of course!!!!When an empire decide nobody can stop it. This mentality is the bigger enemy of Turkey and particularly its people who finally will be the victims of the Generals policies-Not necessarily in this case with Kurds but in a near future similar attitute for other subject.Turkey (generals) consider their country as super power.they do not realise that in general view the country is a third World situation and can be easily colapse either from inside our outside force. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:22 pm |
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So, Turkey should not defend herself because? Do you have a better idea? Its not your kids getting murdered out there on the east so i guess you can come up with a constructive and objective solution that would suit everyone?
The generals are the ultimate defenders of Kemalism from inside and outside threats, and are actually the people who are keeping Turkey together, HENCE WHY THEY ARE OUT THERE FIGHTING THE SEPARATIST KURDS!!
I suppose it is pretty easy to criticize everything from where you are Mr Epsilon, but unfortunately it is also hard to be accurate from there... |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:08 pm |
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| shahmaran wrote: |
So, Turkey should not defend herself because? Do you have a better idea? Its not your kids getting murdered out there on the east so i guess you can come up with a constructive and objective solution that would suit everyone?
The generals are the ultimate defenders of Kemalism from inside and outside threats, and are actually the people who are keeping Turkey together, HENCE WHY THEY ARE OUT THERE FIGHTING THE SEPARATIST KURDS!!
I suppose it is pretty easy to criticize everything from where you are Mr Epsilon, but unfortunately it is also hard to be accurate from there... |
Turkey, as ALL COUNTRIES!!!!!have of course the right to defend its territory and citizens particularly against terrorist attacks (I consider PKK actions as such on basis they killed civilians in many cases) .
A country however must firstly give to its citizens, including minorities, the basic rights and secondly can not invate a foreign country with 100000 soldiers/ tanks/airplanes just to fight 3500 gorrillas who are holding light arms.This make the rest World consider that the target is not the 3500 PKK members but something else more important and interesting.However this important thing, in order to be suceeded, must resulted an occupation (again) of a foreign teritory (IRAQ). This country has lot of problems with its dictator, then with Americans, then with its own leaders and can not affort also Turks occupying Kirkut or other areas.
If Kurds want and succeed an indepedent state inside Iraq this is their internal affair and should not ask Turkey for a permission but their own central government in Iraq.As far as i know this indepedent state is not organised by PKK .
As for the big task of Generals to keep Turkey together this alone show that Turkey is not on the correct direction. If a country needs Generals to keep it united then this prove that people are suffering a lot and this is the reason an army must be emplyed to keep them calm.
Believe me that, in case Turkey suceed to be a full democratic country this willl make Greeks very happy because they will have a good neiburgh to cooperate with. |
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