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Re: The Crete Independence Referendum

Postby Sotos » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:04 am

No, the States can secede. it is up to you to find it. I am not looking for it myself and wouldn't even know where to start.

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The Commonwealth is indissoluble, but they can secede.

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Re: The Crete Independence Referendum

Postby Paphitis » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:07 am

repulsewarrior wrote:..nothing in the Canadian Constitution allows for the separation of the Provinces, there are separatists in other Provinces, not just Quebec; now there is the Clarity Act, which allows for a fair question, and if won, negotiations, not (just) Independence from the rest of Canada.

in any case, if Crete were to separate, it would not surprise me that they thrive; that would make it three Countries where the overwhelming majority of the population speak Greek.


I don't think anyone has a provision for separation.

There should be a section in the Constitution which delineates state Powers. In Australia, that the States are able to pass a referendum Bill which needs to be passed in every state mind you. Not sure how it works in Canada.
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Re: The Crete Independence Referendum

Postby Paphitis » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:08 am

Sotos wrote:
No, the States can secede. it is up to you to find it. I am not looking for it myself and wouldn't even know where to start.

:lol:

The Commonwealth is indissoluble, but they can secede.

:lol:


Hey dickface!

One State has even held a referendum on this matter in 1933! And yes, the States are able to pass this through their own Parliament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Au ... ndum,_1933

How does it feel to make a real dork of yourself! :lol: :lol: :lol:

These days, the referendum has to pass through each and every State for it to be binding.
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Re: The Crete Independence Referendum

Postby Sotos » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:35 am

A secession referendum was held on 8 April 1933 in the Australian state of Western Australia on the topic of withdrawing from the Federal Commonwealth.[1] The proposal was accepted and a petition was sent to London where a Joint Select Committee of the British Parliament ruled it invalid because it had come from a State not the Commonwealth.


Dude, you shot yourself on the foot... again! :lol: So the majority in that state voted in favor of secession but apparently they didn't have the right to do this and their demand was REJECTED and their whole attempt was ruled INVALID. Wow! You are such democrats!! :lol:

These days, the referendum has to pass through each and every State for it to be binding.

Which means a state can not secede unless all others agree.
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Re: The Crete Independence Referendum

Postby Paphitis » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:53 am

Sotos wrote:
A secession referendum was held on 8 April 1933 in the Australian state of Western Australia on the topic of withdrawing from the Federal Commonwealth.[1] The proposal was accepted and a petition was sent to London where a Joint Select Committee of the British Parliament ruled it invalid because it had come from a State not the Commonwealth.


Dude, you shot yourself on the foot... again! :lol: So the majority in that state voted in favor of secession but apparently they didn't have the right to do this and their demand was REJECTED and their whole attempt was ruled INVALID. Wow! You are such democrats!! :lol:

These days, the referendum has to pass through each and every State for it to be binding.

Which means a state can not secede unless all others agree.
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It got rejected because it was unconstitutional. The requirement is that a nationwide referendum be held. That means a referendum that covers all states and Territories since the Constitution will be changed.

Each State has the power to trigger a referendum if a Bill comes to pass their Parliament and Senate. Not just that, but 100,000 citizens can trigger a referendum alone.

A State does not have the right to unilaterally alter the Constitution.

So its a fully democratic process and the ability and rights of each State exists which is a lot more than what can be said of the poor Cretans! :)
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Re: The Crete Independence Referendum

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:29 am

Psoritis, is like the forum sharmutta getting passed around… :lol:
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Re: The Crete Independence Referendum

Postby Sotos » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:43 am

Paphitis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
A secession referendum was held on 8 April 1933 in the Australian state of Western Australia on the topic of withdrawing from the Federal Commonwealth.[1] The proposal was accepted and a petition was sent to London where a Joint Select Committee of the British Parliament ruled it invalid because it had come from a State not the Commonwealth.


Dude, you shot yourself on the foot... again! :lol: So the majority in that state voted in favor of secession but apparently they didn't have the right to do this and their demand was REJECTED and their whole attempt was ruled INVALID. Wow! You are such democrats!! :lol:

These days, the referendum has to pass through each and every State for it to be binding.

Which means a state can not secede unless all others agree.
3

It got rejected because it was unconstitutional. The requirement is that a nationwide referendum be held. That means a referendum that covers all states and Territories since the Constitution will be changed.

Each State has the power to trigger a referendum if a Bill comes to pass their Parliament and Senate. Not just that, but 100,000 citizens can trigger a referendum alone.

A State does not have the right to unilaterally alter the Constitution.

So its a fully democratic process and the ability and rights of each State exists which is a lot more than what can be said of the poor Cretans! :)


:lol: :lol: :lol: Dude, are you a retard? So you admit that if the Tasmanians want independence they can NOT achieve this on their own because it would be unconstitutional. Only if all other Australians agree to CHANGE the constitution such thing could become possible. How is it any different for Crete? Neither the constitution of Greece nor the constitution of Australia allows secession. So in BOTH cases the constitution will need to be CHANGED if such thing is to be allowed to happen and neither the Tasmanians nor the Cretans can change the constitution without the agreement of the other Australians/Greeks. I am done with you. Anybody reading this thread and not realizing the obvious must be a bigger retard than you are.
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Re: The Crete Independence Referendum

Postby Paphitis » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:09 pm

Sotos wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
A secession referendum was held on 8 April 1933 in the Australian state of Western Australia on the topic of withdrawing from the Federal Commonwealth.[1] The proposal was accepted and a petition was sent to London where a Joint Select Committee of the British Parliament ruled it invalid because it had come from a State not the Commonwealth.


Dude, you shot yourself on the foot... again! :lol: So the majority in that state voted in favor of secession but apparently they didn't have the right to do this and their demand was REJECTED and their whole attempt was ruled INVALID. Wow! You are such democrats!! :lol:

These days, the referendum has to pass through each and every State for it to be binding.

Which means a state can not secede unless all others agree.
3

It got rejected because it was unconstitutional. The requirement is that a nationwide referendum be held. That means a referendum that covers all states and Territories since the Constitution will be changed.

Each State has the power to trigger a referendum if a Bill comes to pass their Parliament and Senate. Not just that, but 100,000 citizens can trigger a referendum alone.

A State does not have the right to unilaterally alter the Constitution.

So its a fully democratic process and the ability and rights of each State exists which is a lot more than what can be said of the poor Cretans! :)


:lol: :lol: :lol: Dude, are you a retard? So you admit that if the Tasmanians want independence they can NOT achieve this on their own because it would be unconstitutional. Only if all other Australians agree to CHANGE the constitution such thing could become possible. How is it any different for Crete? Neither the constitution of Greece nor the constitution of Australia allows secession. So in BOTH cases the constitution will need to be CHANGED if such thing is to be allowed to happen and neither the Tasmanians nor the Cretans can change the constitution without the agreement of the other Australians/Greeks. I am done with you. Anybody reading this thread and not realizing the obvious must be a bigger retard than you are.


Of course they can. If Tasmania wanted to secede, the rest of Australia would celebrate! It's like having Cyprus as a State and there must be a lot of inbreds on a small island. :lol:

Look, there is no move by any Tasmania to secede. You just got an article from one person.

There are thousands of Cretans however that want to secede and they don't have a voice.
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