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Re: My political views

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:43 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
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lonewolfcypriot wrote:Why do the Greeks bring Turkey into the equation. It is not Turkey that illegally holds 64% of the island, not Turkey that has brought in illegal gypsy settlers, not Turkey with stationed 40, 000+ troops and not Turkey that threatens us daily.

Greece is the guilty party, unite Cyprus but get the fckn Greeks out of Cyprus and leave Turkey alone. Turkey recognises we are a sovereign state, the Chavs (oops I mean Greeks) just want Cyprus in total.

F them I say
y did, actually
Yeah, sorry pal. We wasted 40 years with blame games. Now its time to move on.




Did greece illegally invade?



According to Makarios speaking to the UN on 19th July 1974, yes they did.......and that gave the Turks the excuse they were looking for....


Stop spreading lies. He never said Greece invaded. The Junta/military regime tried to extend their dictatorship (helped by the CIA). The coup gave turkey an excuse for another invasion (first being 1964).
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Re: My political views

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:03 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
B25 wrote:
lonewolfcypriot wrote:Why do the Greeks bring Turkey into the equation. It is not Turkey that illegally holds 64% of the island, not Turkey that has brought in illegal gypsy settlers, not Turkey with stationed 40, 000+ troops and not Turkey that threatens us daily.

Greece is the guilty party, unite Cyprus but get the fckn Greeks out of Cyprus and leave Turkey alone. Turkey recognises we are a sovereign state, the Chavs (oops I mean Greeks) just want Cyprus in total.

F them I say
y did, actually
Yeah, sorry pal. We wasted 40 years with blame games. Now its time to move on.




Did greece illegally invade?



According to Makarios speaking to the UN on 19th July 1974, yes they did.......and that gave the Turks the excuse they were looking for....


Stop spreading lies. He never said Greece invaded. The Junta/military regime tried to extend their dictatorship (helped by the CIA). The coup gave turkey an excuse for another invasion (first being 1964).


I suugest you read the whole speech and not merely quote of context in what ever your are attempting to prove.

He used the word Inasion in the context of the Junta and its forces at leat three times

When I reached London, I was informed of the content of the speech of the representative of the Greek junta to the United Nations. I was surprised at the way they are trying to deceive world public opinion. Without a blush, the Greek junta is making efforts to simplify the situation, claiming that it is not involved in the armed attack and that the developments of the last few days are an internal matter of the Greek Cypriots.

I do not believe that there are people who accept the allegations of the Greek military regime. The coup did not come about under such circumstances as to he considered an internal matter of the Greek Cypriots. It is clearly an invasion from outside, in flagrant violation of the independence and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. The so-called coup was the work of the Greek officers staffing and commanding the National Guard. I must also underline the fact that the Greek contingent, composed of 950 officers and men stationed in Cyprus by virtue of the Treaty of Alliance, played a predominant role in this aggressive affair against Cyprus. The capture of the airport outside the capital was carried out by officers and men of the Greek contingent campaign near the airport.

It is enough to state on this point that certain photographs appearing in the world press show armoured vehicles and tanks belonging to the Greek contingent in Cyprus. On the other hand, the Greek officers serving with the National Guard were directing the operations. In these operations, they recruited many members of the terrorist organisation 'EOKA B', whom they armed with weapons of the National Guard.

If the Greek officers serving in the National Guard were not involved, how does one explain the fact that among the casualties in battle were Greek officers whose remains were transported to Greece and buried there? If Greek officers did not carry out the coup, how does one explain the fact of night flights of Greek aircraft transporting to Cyprus personnel in civilian clothes and taking back to Greece dead and wounded men? There is no doubt that the coup was organised by the Greek junta and was carried out by the Greek officers commanding the National Guard and by the officers and men of the Greek contingent stationed in Cyprus - and it was reported as such by the press around the globe.

The coup caused much bloodshed and took a great toll of human lives. It was faced with the determined resistance of the legal security forces and the resistance of the Greek people of Cyprus. I can say with certainty that the resistance and the reaction of the Greek Cypriot people against the conspirators will not end until there is a restoration of their freedom and democratic rights. The Cypriot people will never bow to dictatorship, even though for the moment the brutal force of the armoured cars and tanks may have prevailed.

After the coup, the agents of the Greek regime in Cyprus appointed a well-known gun-man, Nicos Samson as President, who in turn appointed as ministers known elements and supporters of the terrorist organisation 'EOKA B'.

It may be alleged that what took place in Cyprus is a revolution and that a Government was established based on revolutionary law. This is not the case. No revolution took place in Cyprus, which could be considered as an internal matter. It was an invasion, which violated the independence and the sovereignty of the Republic. And the invasion is continuing so long as there are Greek officers in Cyprus. The results of this invasion will be catalytic for Cyprus if there is no return to constitutional normality and if democratic freedoms are not restored.



There is I understand a recording. Now who is the liar?
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Re: My political views

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:12 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:I suugest you read the whole speech

And I suggest you find the part that, according to you, states Greece illegally invaded which is what you posted to B25 above.
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Re: My political views

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:21 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:I suugest you read the whole speech

And I suggest you find the part that states Greece illegally invaded which is what you posted to B25 above.


You plainly did not read the bit i quoted. He plainly lays the door at the Greek Junta who he accuses of lying about their claimed lack of involvement, highlighting funding snd arming of Criminal elements by Greek Officers, and describing the role of the Greek contingent.

Or you saying the invasion was legal?

In which case fuck off to Greece you traitor to the ROC.
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Re: My political views

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:24 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:I suugest you read the whole speech

And I suggest you find the part that states Greece illegally invaded which is what you posted to B25 above.


You plainly did not read the bit i quoted.


Which bit did you quote that supported what you said to B25?
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Re: My political views

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:26 am

supporttheunderdog wrote: He plainly lays the door at the Greek Junta


Now, see how you are forced to confront something nearer the truth? Yet earlier you blindly asserted Makarios called it an illegal invasion by Greece! The text you posted didn't help you but instead exposed your lies.

You are so full of ordure.
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Re: My political views

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:34 am

Yes and the Junta was the Governnment of Greece at the time and that makes in my book an act of Greece and only a slime bag like you who cannot bear to have anything bad said about Greece and go into denial would try to say otherwise.
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Re: My political views

Postby Sotos » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:11 pm

An invasion is a military offensive in which large parts of combatants of one geopolitical entity aggressively enter territory controlled by another such entity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion

A coup d'état (/ˌkuː deɪˈtɑː/ About this sound listen (help·info); French: [ku.de.ta]), also known simply as a coup (/kuː/), a putsch (/pʊtʃ/), golpe de estado, or an overthrow, is the illegal and overt seizure of a state by the military or other elites within the state apparatus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

It is clear that Greece did no invasion as that would involve "large parts of combatants" from Greece aggressively entering Cyprus and no such thing happened. This is exactly what Turkey did with its invasion. What Junta did was to assist the coup to overthrow Makarios. If anybody said that what Greece did was an "invasion" then he is clearly wrong based on what the tern "invasion" entails.
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Re: My political views

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:04 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:I see STUD is back to full flow on posting his made up fantasies in support of his evil, imperialist and divisive aims.

:D :D :D :D

IMHO, correction, In my opinion, because no way will be humble as far as you are concerned, YOU are the one living in cloud cuckoo-land spouting fantasies where as I am referencing science - where your delirious replies show how divorced from reality you are.

What you do not like and are in denial about is that the myth about Achaean/Mycenaean mass colonization, which was one of the fairy stories about the Greekness of Cyprus has been busted:
https://investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13323-016-0032-8

What you are secondly in denial about is that the Closeness of Greek Speaking Cypriot and Turkish Speaking Cypriot genetics suggests a common pre 1571 Cypriot ancestry - where for the benefit of GR the scientific techniques used, including assessing the date of separation of eg Cypriot from Anatolian/Levantine suggests little likelyhood of any major genetic input post 1571. There was some but the genetics would likely look different if the post 1571 mass "Ottoman" migration / rape scenario had occurred.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0179474

I will be doing a substantial reply to other comments you have made on that report elsewhere, but the gist of will be that you have said nothing objective which challenges the report, but rather have engaged in bland denial, bland assertion, abuse of the scientists, mis-representation of the evidence contained in the report, etc, all of which is par for the course with you but does not actually do anything to support the position you adopt, but rather show that you are in denial.

I wait the abusive response.
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Re: My political views

Postby Sotos » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:29 pm

Cyprus is as Greek as any other Greek island. Those who spread lies and myths to the contrary are those foreigners who are trying to isolate Cyprus from the rest of Greece in order to make it easier for themselves to keep parts of our island under their occupation. Stud, I am still waiting for you to tell me why we speak Greek in Cyprus. Is the argument that we speak Greek because Cyprus was once under Greek rule? But we have also been under Persian, French, Italian, Ottoman, British etc rule as well. I can assure you that my grandfather, who was born during British rule, could not speak English at all. I can also assure you that archaeological evidence, which are far more clear than assumptions based on genetics, show that we have been speaking Greek in Cyprus for 1000s of years. How can you explain this?

If we go by genetics, then the UK should be split in 17 different countries: https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/18/8252 ... l-identity

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So why don't you campaign for the division of your own nation based on genetics?

P.s. My two questions were clearly highlighted since you seem to avoid answering what it doesn't suit you.
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