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How dare the more Islamist Turks worship more Islam than they do the Turkish devlet? By all means crush them. There can only be one belief in Turkey: the religious nationalism and its religious statehood.

Good post! For once I agree with every single thing you said there.

[miltiades]

Well F**K YOU miltiades, plain and simple! I cant think of anything more appropriate to say about your garbage!

Get some consistency you old git!

You are full of shit punk , is this consistent enough for your brainwashed little mind . You are a looser now you will be a loser for life.

[miltiades]

[quote="zan"]Shahmaran

What the hell are you talking about? Miltiades is about the most consistent person on this forum. He is consistently talking crap and backing it up with more crap. He condemns the saying " One Turk is worth a thousand others” as he put it then goes on to say “Let me tell you , one T/C and one G/C are worth a million bloody Anatolian and a million Greek vlahous too”. I thought that it was the whole saying that was the problem but it seems that it was only the “who” and the numbers. As you quite rightly said, he condemns the “backward” Muslims when it suits him but now that they are attacking the right people, in his eyes, (Turkey) then the shout goes up for the Muslims. And you were going to buy a set of knives off this man….What were you thinking.

Zan , open your eyes and read what I said . I haven't the slightest interest in seeing the Islamists gain an upper hand in Turkey or any where else for that matter. What I said is that the army ought to remain neutral and abide by the democratically elected government of Turkey. The EU warned the army to stay out of politics , a well known fact is that the army interferes in the every day running of the Turkish government.

What is inconsistent about my posts ? Perhaps you will point me to an area of inconsistency . My support for Turkeys entry into Europe is beyond questioning. My immense dislike of religious fanatics , suicide savages is also well posted. My Cypriotness is also well known. Turkey and Greece are the two nations responsible for the catastrophe of 1974 , and before you retort by disputing the catastrophic events let me remind you that thousands of Cypriots lost their lives , hundreds went missing and many thousands displaced. What you and those with similar views can not see is that unless the people of Cyprus detach themselves from these two "evil" nations and reach for a solution based on self respect and justice for all , not only for the majority but more so for the minority , then at some time in the future conflict will erupt . The likes of the punk will rejoice at kicking arse once again because he can not see further than his twisted little brain will allow him to. As for you , all that is Cypriot is anathema. You would rather see the permanent division of our island and the eventual annexation of occupied Cyprus by Turkey , the new modern world that you referred to . You are determined to carry on your little myth on the evilness of the G/Cs , Kikapu thought otherwise , you did not like it.

[zan]

Miltiades

I keep saying either or within the right framework and you keep seeing different things. I am not prepared to use your and Birkibrislis method of suck it and see solution.

[BirKibrisli]

The army saved Turkey from the corrupt gangsters in the 70s and now it can do the same against this corrupt religious group. Until they can separate religion from politics then there is no democracy that the article is calling for. No country should be run by religion as no country should be run by the army but I am gald that the army are there until full democracy is reached. This is a transitional period that Turkey will have to go, through with a lot of pain but I am confident that they will go through it. Look at what Greece went through. Don’t panic.

There is another way at looking what the Army did in Turkey in the 70s...
The coup in 1970 was a fascist intervention which totally destroyed any semblence of the political left,the union movement,and decimated those community organisations which were trying to fight for real democracy in Turkey...
I wish you put your mind in gear before you open your mouth,Zan...
How on earth will Turkey reach "full democracy" if the military steps in every ten years and sets the democracy movement back 20 years???

I am no lover of the AKP and the Erdogan government or their candidate for President,but the military should step back once and for all and let the fledgling democracy take root.Gul is on record for saying he will respect the secular nature of the Turkish constitution. And if they removed the ridiculously high 10% benchmark for getting into parliament,AKP would instantly lose its dominance(their base vote is around 28%),and with the representation of the Kurdish parties in the Parliament Turkey will be on the way to real democracy.
But first Turkish people must learn the meaning of "freedom of speech".
It does not mean "you can say anything as long as I approve what you are saying"...It means "I don't agree with what you are saying but I respect your right to say it"...It is a sad say for Turkey and for Turkish democracy when even westernised intellectual and influential journalists are urging the military to step in to save...'the secular Turkish democracy'...

[karma]

The army saved Turkey from the corrupt gangsters in the 70s and now it can do the same against this corrupt religious group. Until they can separate religion from politics then there is no democracy that the article is calling for. No country should be run by religion as no country should be run by the army but I am gald that the army are there until full democracy is reached. This is a transitional period that Turkey will have to go, through with a lot of pain but I am confident that they will go through it. Look at what Greece went through. Don’t panic.

There is another way at looking what the Army did in Turkey in the 70s...
The coup in 1970 was a fascist intervention which totally destroyed any semblence of the political left,the union movement,and decimated those community organisations which were trying to fight for real democracy in Turkey...
I wish you put your mind in gear before you open your mouth,Zan...
How on earth will Turkey reach "full democracy" if the military steps in every ten years and sets the democracy movement back 20 years???

I am no lover of the AKP and the Erdogan government or their candidate for President,but the military should step back once and for all and let the fledgling democracy take root.Gul is on record for saying he will respect the secular nature of the Turkish constitution. And if they removed the ridiculously high 10% benchmark for getting into parliament,AKP would instantly lose its dominance(their base vote is around 28%),and with the representation of the Kurdish parties in the Parliament Turkey will be on the way to real democracy.
But first Turkish people must learn the meaning of "freedom of speech".
It does not mean "you can say anything as long as I approve what you are saying"...It means "I don't agree with what you are saying but I respect your right to say it"...It is a sad say for Turkey and for Turkish democracy when even westernised intellectual and influential journalists are urging the military to step in to save...'the secular Turkish democracy'...

thats why it is a unique country, a case! where the poor vote rightist parties, the leftists support military, the islamists say they are the real democrats, the women say that their husbands should beat them sometimes, the killers become heros, the writers are exiled ...........
but still I visit Turkey coz the cuisine is excellent and I love to visit different planets too

[BirKibrisli]

The army saved Turkey from the corrupt gangsters in the 70s and now it can do the same against this corrupt religious group. Until they can separate religion from politics then there is no democracy that the article is calling for. No country should be run by religion as no country should be run by the army but I am gald that the army are there until full democracy is reached. This is a transitional period that Turkey will have to go, through with a lot of pain but I am confident that they will go through it. Look at what Greece went through. Don’t panic.

There is another way at looking what the Army did in Turkey in the 70s...
The coup in 1970 was a fascist intervention which totally destroyed any semblence of the political left,the union movement,and decimated those community organisations which were trying to fight for real democracy in Turkey...
I wish you put your mind in gear before you open your mouth,Zan...
How on earth will Turkey reach "full democracy" if the military steps in every ten years and sets the democracy movement back 20 years???

I am no lover of the AKP and the Erdogan government or their candidate for President,but the military should step back once and for all and let the fledgling democracy take root.Gul is on record for saying he will respect the secular nature of the Turkish constitution. And if they removed the ridiculously high 10% benchmark for getting into parliament,AKP would instantly lose its dominance(their base vote is around 28%),and with the representation of the Kurdish parties in the Parliament Turkey will be on the way to real democracy.
But first Turkish people must learn the meaning of "freedom of speech".
It does not mean "you can say anything as long as I approve what you are saying"...It means "I don't agree with what you are saying but I respect your right to say it"...It is a sad say for Turkey and for Turkish democracy when even westernised intellectual and influential journalists are urging the military to step in to save...'the secular Turkish democracy'...

thats why it is a unique country, a case! where the poor vote rightist parties, the leftists support military, the islamists say they are the real democrats, the women say that their husbands should beat them sometimes, the killers become heros, the writers are exiled ...........
but still I visit Turkey coz the cuisine is excellent and I love to visit different planets too

You summed up Turkey pretty well,karma...

You forgot to say that women can become chief Justices at the highest court in the land...and some beat up their husbands too...

Why don't you come and visit me in Australia,karma...It is almost another planet!

[shahmaran]

Well F**K YOU miltiades, plain and simple! I cant think of anything more appropriate to say about your garbage!

Get some consistency you old git!

You are full of shit punk , is this consistent enough for your brainwashed little mind . You are a looser now you will be a loser for life.

Open your TV and see how many other people think like me you brainless piece of shit! These are the people that the military is defending and i'm glad that they are doing it! I would love to see what your "wonderful" EU would do if all the Sharia supporters in there had all the votes, would they still be as "democratic"?

You are a spineless sucker who will do a different dance to the same tune as long as it suits you, and you want to be taken seriously, go figure, what else can one expect from someone who so openly supports the biggest murders of the century committed by the US, and tries to justify them by claiming that they are "only killing savages who deserve it"

I might be young miltiades, but I'm definitely a LOT more human than you are!

[shahmaran]

Shahmaran

What the hell are you talking about? Miltiades is about the most consistent person on this forum. He is consistently talking crap and backing it up with more crap. He condemns the saying " One Turk is worth a thousand others” as he put it then goes on to say “Let me tell you , one T/C and one G/C are worth a million bloody Anatolian and a million Greek vlahous too”. I thought that it was the whole saying that was the problem but it seems that it was only the “who” and the numbers. As you quite rightly said, he condemns the “backward” Muslims when it suits him but now that they are attacking the right people, in his eyes, (Turkey) then the shout goes up for the Muslims. And you were going to buy a set of knives off this man….What were you thinking.



The army saved Turkey from the corrupt gangsters in the 70s and now it can do the same against this corrupt religious group. Until they can separate religion from politics then there is no democracy that the article is calling for. No country should be run by religion as no country should be run by the army but I am gald that the army are there until full democracy is reached. This is a transitional period that Turkey will have to go, through with a lot of pain but I am confident that they will go through it. Look at what Greece went through. Don’t panic.

You are absolutely right Zan, also the knife thing was a short lived idea, and it didn't take me to long to realise how unnecessary it was, plus i did find the same ones cheaper elsewhere

[iceman]

There is another way at looking what the Army did in Turkey in the 70s...
The coup in 1970 was a fascist intervention which totally destroyed any semblence of the political left,the union movement,and decimated those community organisations which were trying to fight for real democracy in Turkey...
I wish you put your mind in gear before you open your mouth,Zan...
How on earth will Turkey reach "full democracy" if the military steps in every ten years and sets the democracy movement back 20 years???

I am no lover of the AKP and the Erdogan government or their candidate for President,but the military should step back once and for all and let the fledgling democracy take root.Gul is on record for saying he will respect the secular nature of the Turkish constitution. And if they removed the ridiculously high 10% benchmark for getting into parliament,AKP would instantly lose its dominance(their base vote is around 28%),and with the representation of the Kurdish parties in the Parliament Turkey will be on the way to real democracy.
But first Turkish people must learn the meaning of "freedom of speech".
It does not mean "you can say anything as long as I approve what you are saying"...It means "I don't agree with what you are saying but I respect your right to say it"...It is a sad say for Turkey and for Turkish democracy when even westernised intellectual and influential journalists are urging the military to step in to save...'the secular Turkish democracy'...

Well said birkbrisli...I am no AKP lover either,in fact i am not religious at all but these people have been in power for the last five years or so....AKP did not make the election rules which gave them full power.
Why doesnt everyone (including the army) respect the democratic procedure when it does not suit them?
Why do they insist on calling Turkiye Cumhuriyeti a democratic state when it is clearly the army calling the shots?