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Pyro

The whole Anan plan is not only the 182 pages you read. It includes also a hell lot of attachments and laws and details of how the state would function of about 20,000 pages, including the constitutions of the component states.
Those were hard to find even before the referendum.Well hidden inside the UN web page that was specifically designed for the Anan Plan. Today that web page does not exist...

I have read a few of those.

a)too many contradictions.
b)Make your hair sting

So we can't really do what Kifeas asks and 'Read the ANNAN PLAN constitution for the TCCS' as it doesn't exist any more, or at least not anywhere that we can read ?

[Pyrpolizer]

But have you really tried Google?

Here they are both of them (TCCS and GCCS constitutions)

http://www.hri.org/docs/annan/AnnexI/CO ... _STATE.pdf

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.ns ... penElement

[Kikapu]

Looking forward for them Kikapu.

Zan & VP don't talk to me either. They call it "ignoring"

I am surprised you have a bigger list of "ignoring". You must be a very "bad" person

Pyro,

There's a new "Sheriff in Town".

Didn't you get the memo.

[cypezokyli]

kifeas has it in i believe in pdf form, you can ask him to send it to you.
or we can ask the admin i it is possible to be uploaded in the forum

[bigOz]

Unfortunately dear Kikapu you turned out to be "i syja tou mavrou"/the black mans fig tree, meaning everybody takes it off on you in here. GCs join here they attack you, sctozesa joins in she attacks you, pyrpolizer joins in he attacks you so it happened with bigOz. Yet i believe BigOz means well, and he will soon discover he wants nothing different than you regarding the Cyprob. He is just hot tempered.

Btw I think I do you more harm that good in supporting you against TCs so from now on I will concentrate only if a GC attacks you unfairly which is a much easier job anyway

There is only one thing I wanted to say a long time ago regarding the school you were kept captive.I haven't said it because it might have been taken by others as another effort to support you: ...

Pyrpoliser (where did you get that name from mate? it sounds like that stuff they put in soil to make plants grow bigger! ). I am learning to respect you more and more every day because you have proven to be somone who CAN THINK sense!

We do not know each other in these posts and when a newcomer arrives it is all too easy to have misunderstandings - they are nothing that time will not cure. The main problem starts to arise when you have two opposing views from two ethnically different groups whose members have mutually killed and suffered from their co-existence in the past.

When two such groups argue their points, there will also be views ranging from far-right to far-left within each group. What makes me lose my temper is not when a member of one group starts supporting the opposing view, but does it in a very derogatory way in an effort to show themselves as the "Robin Hood", labelling others as what they are not and using bad language. Especially when this is done one sidedly, while ignoring similar characters in the opposite site and even going as far as backing up their posts! Something even some other GCs I heave witnessed not wanting to put up with, and criticise their own (as in GCs).

I pride myself as an intelligent man and as such I have not really seen VPs views as more offensive or defensive than some other GCs in this forum. Yet he is often verbally attacked in the most demeaning way, usually by one member of our own ethnic community backed up by other GCs. I could do the same to piratis and his limited political views on the solution of Cyprus problem, but I feel it would be more appropriate coming from a GC - and if another TC was to use a verbal attack on him I would not jump at the opportunity to crush him!

When a situation arises that one of your own kind (as in TCs and GCs) is making special efforts on siding with every point the other side makes and not criticising similar posts from any GC for the sake of looking the "good boy", that's when it gets me! You talk about someone falling out with practically every newcomer in this forum, including myself - has it ever occured to you perhaps this guy is doing something wrong? He can never have as much "left" or socialist views that I have, yet prefers to call me a "partitionist", when even no other GC has called me that!

I am addresed of becoming a "ring-leader" all of a sudden! By nature, I have always been a leader but not for any bad reasons - could it be because my people feel they can trust me? This I can say even though my ideas need not necessarily be same as some of the other TCs who share this forum. I am not a ring leader but I would like to believe I am respected by fellow TCs becaue I respect their feelings on some delicate issues and do not charge at them full guns blazing because I do not necessarily agree with their beliefs.

Hence, I believe you've done the right thing in staying out of the bickering that has been going on. We are all adults in here, and are responsible for our own ideas/actions only. I do not believe any of us will do much to change the destiny of Cyprus either - perhaps we can have some fun instead...

[Pyrpolizer]

You are OK by my standards bigOz, there is nothing I haven't seen in this forum within the last year I am actively participating. Every person is unique and although arguing is the common denominator for everyone, there are people who prefer to point out the mistakes of their own side. Such persons from the GC side are Bananiot, Angastiniotis, fanourio perhaps more I don't remember. Read them you will love them I am sure.

I agree with you about VP in fact i said many times i consider this person generally polite. There is some prehistory here with VP, some of it it's actually funny, yeap I am proud I played my part in that.


NB.As for my nick look at my avatar. Pyr in greek means fire.

[Viewpoint]

VP WROTE:

""""I want to leave my children a country where they feel they own it and belong there, where they are not treated immigrants and forced to deal with Greek in the daily lives """

How on earth can you come up with such trash I will never know. In the UK the predominant language spoken is English , those of us with any common sense know that this language is the Dominant language of this nation by virtue of the fact that more than 80 % of the people have English as their native tongue.
In Cyprus the dominant language is the Greek language by the same virtue ie 80 plus of the Cypriot population have Greek as their native tongue. What would you suggest that this people do , start learning Turkish and replace their language with Turkish. I'm all in favour of Turkish being taught in all Cypriot schools but to make comments such as yours only indicates the high level of hatred that you have for the Cypriots. My suggestion , as you expressed your wish to bring your children up in an exclusive Turkish enviroment is to pack your bags up and go to Turkey. The same advice I would also give to those wanting an exclusive Greek enviroment , pack your bags and off to Greece.

You still dont get it..I was born in the UK but Im not English because England is a country of origin for English people, others go and live there out of choice and have different ethnic origins Italian Spanish etc but their countries of origin are Italy and Spain Like mine is the TRNCyprus. I am not from Turkey so stop telling me to go and live there, its like me telling you to go live in Greece, My language is Turkish and I want live in an environment where it is the main language and my culture is predominant if I wanted to live amongst foreigners and a foreign language I would have stayed in the UK, now do you see the difference or are you just playing ignorant. You live in the Uk but this does not make you English you are a bloody foreigner there and only when you come back to the "RoC" do you feel your roots and a sense of belonging, its the same for me I choose to return to my origins and raise my children as true Turkish Cypriots amongst Turkish Cypriots in our country called the TRNC with all its faults and I am glad I did as I believe they are more adjusted than GC and TC children in the UK who are sandwiched between the 2 countries and 90% of the time think they are English and cannot even speak proper Greek or Turkish...these are diluted and Anglo Turk Greek Cypriots who next generation down will be lost forever as part of the mixed race.

[Viewpoint]

I want to leave my children a country where they feel they own it and belong there, where they are not treated immigrants and forced to deal with Greek in the daily lives, they should be allowed the freedom to be Turkish Cypriots and use facilites in the own language and have a say in the own future, any arrangement that will go against this ideology will be resoundingly rejected.

In other words you want a pure Turkish "homeland" in Cyprus, much like the one you have right now, only legal. I believe EVERY possible arrangement will go against this "ideology", so you can safely say "NO" to all of them without even reading them, just like Denktash used to do...

Thats why partition is the only way forward as the chasm is to wide, more and more people will realize this over the next 100 years.

[Viewpoint]

bigOz

I pride myself as an intelligent man and as such I have not really seen VPs views as more offensive or defensive than some other GCs in this forum. Yet he is often verbally attacked in the most demeaning way, usually by one member of our own ethnic community backed up by other GCs. I could do the same to piratis and his limited political views on the solution of Cyprus problem, but I feel it would be more appropriate coming from a GC - and if another TC was to use a verbal attack on him I would not jump at the opportunity to crush him!

Well said good man I applaud you at least someone is honest enough to speak up about exactly whats been going on.

[Pyrpolizer]

Partition will never be agreed, so in the next 100 years it's upto you to figure out what we will have in Cyprus.
All I know is the present situation is artificial and cannot be sustained.