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[Kikapu]

bigOz

Yet he is ( VP) often verbally attacked in the most demeaning way, usually by one member of our own ethnic community backed up by other GCs.

Well said good man I applaud you at least someone is honest enough to speak up about exactly whats been going on.

If I may take a page from VP's signature "Learnt from the Past", then you will also know why he is being attacked.

[DT.]

I want to leave my children a country where they feel they own it and belong there, where they are not treated immigrants and forced to deal with Greek in the daily lives, they should be allowed the freedom to be Turkish Cypriots and use facilites in the own language and have a say in the own future, any arrangement that will go against this ideology will be resoundingly rejected.

In other words you want a pure Turkish "homeland" in Cyprus, much like the one you have right now, only legal. I believe EVERY possible arrangement will go against this "ideology", so you can safely say "NO" to all of them without even reading them, just like Denktash used to do...

Thats why partition is the only way forward as the chasm is to wide, more and more people will realize this over the next 100 years.

VP if all you want is partition then to put it in a cold hard way of negotiation...what do you offer in exchange for this partition and recognition? Whats in it for the GC's to accept such a solution, unless you think you can achieve this "official" partition without the accproval of the ROc to limit its recognised sovereignty over only the south part of the island.

[Viewpoint]

I want to leave my children a country where they feel they own it and belong there, where they are not treated immigrants and forced to deal with Greek in the daily lives, they should be allowed the freedom to be Turkish Cypriots and use facilites in the own language and have a say in the own future, any arrangement that will go against this ideology will be resoundingly rejected.

In other words you want a pure Turkish "homeland" in Cyprus, much like the one you have right now, only legal. I believe EVERY possible arrangement will go against this "ideology", so you can safely say "NO" to all of them without even reading them, just like Denktash used to do...

Thats why partition is the only way forward as the chasm is to wide, more and more people will realize this over the next 100 years.

VP if all you want is partition then to put it in a cold hard way of negotiation...what do you offer in exchange for this partition and recognition? Whats in it for the GC's to accept such a solution, unless you think you can achieve this "official" partition without the accproval of the ROc to limit its recognised sovereignty over only the south part of the island.

We will give you the one thing you really long for......im sure you can guess what that is.

[DT.]

I want to leave my children a country where they feel they own it and belong there, where they are not treated immigrants and forced to deal with Greek in the daily lives, they should be allowed the freedom to be Turkish Cypriots and use facilites in the own language and have a say in the own future, any arrangement that will go against this ideology will be resoundingly rejected.

In other words you want a pure Turkish "homeland" in Cyprus, much like the one you have right now, only legal. I believe EVERY possible arrangement will go against this "ideology", so you can safely say "NO" to all of them without even reading them, just like Denktash used to do...

Thats why partition is the only way forward as the chasm is to wide, more and more people will realize this over the next 100 years.

VP if all you want is partition then to put it in a cold hard way of negotiation...what do you offer in exchange for this partition and recognition? Whats in it for the GC's to accept such a solution, unless you think you can achieve this "official" partition without the accproval of the ROc to limit its recognised sovereignty over only the south part of the island.

We will give you the one thing you really long for......im sure you can guess what that is.

no more albums from Bryan Adams?

[Get Real!]

I want to leave my children a country where they feel they own it and belong there, where they are not treated immigrants and forced to deal with Greek in the daily lives, they should be allowed the freedom to be Turkish Cypriots and use facilites in the own language and have a say in the own future, any arrangement that will go against this ideology will be resoundingly rejected.

In other words you want a pure Turkish "homeland" in Cyprus, much like the one you have right now, only legal. I believe EVERY possible arrangement will go against this "ideology", so you can safely say "NO" to all of them without even reading them, just like Denktash used to do...

Thats why partition is the only way forward as the chasm is to wide, more and more people will realize this over the next 100 years.

VP if all you want is partition then to put it in a cold hard way of negotiation...what do you offer in exchange for this partition and recognition? Whats in it for the GC's to accept such a solution, unless you think you can achieve this "official" partition without the accproval of the ROc to limit its recognised sovereignty over only the south part of the island.

We will give you the one thing you really long for......im sure you can guess what that is.

Barry Manilows greatest hits?

[Viewpoint]

I want to leave my children a country where they feel they own it and belong there, where they are not treated immigrants and forced to deal with Greek in the daily lives, they should be allowed the freedom to be Turkish Cypriots and use facilites in the own language and have a say in the own future, any arrangement that will go against this ideology will be resoundingly rejected.

In other words you want a pure Turkish "homeland" in Cyprus, much like the one you have right now, only legal. I believe EVERY possible arrangement will go against this "ideology", so you can safely say "NO" to all of them without even reading them, just like Denktash used to do...

Thats why partition is the only way forward as the chasm is to wide, more and more people will realize this over the next 100 years.

VP if all you want is partition then to put it in a cold hard way of negotiation...what do you offer in exchange for this partition and recognition? Whats in it for the GC's to accept such a solution, unless you think you can achieve this "official" partition without the accproval of the ROc to limit its recognised sovereignty over only the south part of the island.

We will give you the one thing you really long for......im sure you can guess what that is.

Barry Manilows greatest hits?

No, havent got that one.

[BirKibrisli]

3 pages of posts have appeared since my last visit here...so I will not drag old posts and reply to them, VP and Zan...But I will make these general points...I wish you would stop misrepresenting my views....I do not support assimilation,and i am all for people maintaining their cultural heritage,in an environment free of discrimination and intimidation...

I want a unitary state because my logic tells me it is the only way we will ever find truly lasting peace and justive for the majority of Cypriots...
How we get there is open to negitiation...Perhaps we will need a 2 state federal solution in the interim,as bigOz and DT were talking about....Perhaps we can go back to the 1960 constitution and have another go with the hindsight of the past 44 years....My preference is the second one because it is already agreed to...in fact the only significant agreeement signed by TCs and GCs in their own right....I just think it will save a lot of time,as no other solution is in sight....

I don't want to lead my community into slaughter or cultural extinction...Exactly the opposite...I want to lead them to freedom and self-dignity...and that will only happen if we return to running our own lives in our own country,without being told how "Turkish" and how "Islamic" we ought to be by our Turkish cousins...I do not think in majority and minority terms...As my dear compatriot miltiades keeps saying,once you see yourself as Cypriots first then that problem simply disappears...I see myself as a human being first,a citizen of the world second,a Cypriot third,an Australian citizen fourth....Linguistically speaking ....Turkish is my mother tongue....I speak English almost as well as Turkish...I have a good working knowledge of French...I have a little Cypriot Greek in my head,and a desire to learn more the language of Socrates,Plato,and Aristotle....I would think of no greater pleasure than be able to read Homer in the original...
Religion wise....I detest all organised religions,as I believe they are now simply tools for controlling people's lives and minds....I have a very strong spiritual instinct which i satisfy by leading the life of a Sufi....that is,not letting anyone get between me and my God...and believing that LOVE and COMPASSION and EMPATHY are the keys to devine fulfillment,uniting with God...And I want to live once again in my own country,with democracy and freedom,and respect for human rights, equal opportunity and anti-discrimination principles and respect for the rule of the law....And I want my community to share this ideal with me...Am I really being as reckless and unreasonable as you suggest?...

[karma]

3 pages of posts have appeared since my last visit here...so I will not drag old posts and reply to them, VP and Zan...But I will make these general points...I wish you would stop misrepresenting my views....I do not support assimilation,and i am all for people maintaining their cultural heritage,in an environment free of discrimination and intimidation...

I want a unitary state because my logic tells me it is the only way we will ever find truly lasting peace and justive for the majority of Cypriots...
How we get there is open to negitiation...Perhaps we will need a 2 state federal solution in the interim,as bigOz and DT were talking about....Perhaps we can go back to the 1960 constitution and have another go with the hindsight of the past 44 years....My preference is the second one because it is already agreed to...in fact the only significant agreeement signed by TCs and GCs in their own right....I just think it will save a lot of time,as no other solution is in sight....

I don't want to lead my community into slaughter or cultural extinction...Exactly the opposite...I want to lead them to freedom and self-dignity...and that will only happen if we return to running our own lives in our own country,without being told how "Turkish" and how "Islamic" we ought to be by our Turkish cousins...I do not think in majority and minority terms...As my dear compatriot miltiades keeps saying,once you see yourself as Cypriots first then that problem simply disappears...I see myself as a human being first,a citizen of the world second,a Cypriot third,an Australian citizen fourth....Linguistically speaking ....Turkish is my mother tongue....I speak English almost as well as Turkish...I have a good working knowledge of French...I have a little Cypriot Greek in my head,and a desire to learn more the language of Socrates,Plato,and Aristotle....I would think of no greater pleasure than be able to read Homer in the original...
Religion wise....I detest all organised religions,as I believe they are now simply tools for controlling people's lives and minds....I have a very strong spiritual instinct which i satisfy by leading the life of a Sufi....that is,not letting anyone get between me and my God...and believing that LOVE and COMPASSION and EMPATHY are the keys to devine fulfillment,uniting with God...And I want to live once again in my own country,with democracy and freedom,and respect for human rights, equal opportunity and anti-discrimination principles and respect for the rule of the law....And I want my community to share this ideal with me...Am I really being as reckless and unreasonable as you suggest?...

U r a dreamer which is very nice, I do day dream too
Well, U R being very much honest and resaonable..But it wont be easy to turn other Cypriots into Sufis the Greek church wont let it happen at any coast
As for Homer, u will have to learn Ancient Greek to be able to read the originals...and u may need other 20 years to learn it..

How old r u sweetheart??

[Kifeas]

'74LondonBoy wrote:
Kikapu asked in one of his posts whether there were equivalent 'undertones' in an ANNAN PLAN constitution for the GCCS! ?

Kikapu:
The answer to my question of the above to Kifeas was, NO there were not.

So is there such a thing as the 'ANNAN PLAN constitution for the GCCS' or is it that there are no undertones in it ?
And is there one called 'ANNAN PLAN constitution for the TCCS' ?

Anyone know if these are seperate from the Annan Plan itself ?

What can I do for you LondonBoy74?

[Kifeas]

3 pages of posts have appeared since my last visit here...so I will not drag old posts and reply to them, VP and Zan...But I will make these general points...I wish you would stop misrepresenting my views....I do not support assimilation,and i am all for people maintaining their cultural heritage,in an environment free of discrimination and intimidation...

I want a unitary state because my logic tells me it is the only way we will ever find truly lasting peace and justive for the majority of Cypriots...
How we get there is open to negitiation...Perhaps we will need a 2 state federal solution in the interim,as bigOz and DT were talking about....Perhaps we can go back to the 1960 constitution and have another go with the hindsight of the past 44 years....My preference is the second one because it is already agreed to...in fact the only significant agreeement signed by TCs and GCs in their own right....I just think it will save a lot of time,as no other solution is in sight....

I don't want to lead my community into slaughter or cultural extinction...Exactly the opposite...I want to lead them to freedom and self-dignity...and that will only happen if we return to running our own lives in our own country,without being told how "Turkish" and how "Islamic" we ought to be by our Turkish cousins...I do not think in majority and minority terms...As my dear compatriot miltiades keeps saying,once you see yourself as Cypriots first then that problem simply disappears...I see myself as a human being first,a citizen of the world second,a Cypriot third,an Australian citizen fourth....Linguistically speaking ....Turkish is my mother tongue....I speak English almost as well as Turkish...I have a good working knowledge of French...I have a little Cypriot Greek in my head,and a desire to learn more the language of Socrates,Plato,and Aristotle....I would think of no greater pleasure than be able to read Homer in the original...
Religion wise....I detest all organised religions,as I believe they are now simply tools for controlling people's lives and minds....I have a very strong spiritual instinct which i satisfy by leading the life of a Sufi....that is,not letting anyone get between me and my God...and believing that LOVE and COMPASSION and EMPATHY are the keys to devine fulfillment,uniting with God...And I want to live once again in my own country,with democracy and freedom,and respect for human rights, equal opportunity and anti-discrimination principles and respect for the rule of the law....And I want my community to share this ideal with me...Am I really being as reckless and unreasonable as you suggest?...

As for Homer, u will have to learn Ancient Greek to be able to read the originals...and u may need other 20 years to learn it..

He may go straight to learning ancient Greek and this will allow him to understand Modern Greek without problems. Unfortunately the reverse is not possible.