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[boulio]

till this year turkeys security council had greece listed number 1 on the there threat assesment.they are still listed however have dropped considerable spots on that list.

[turkcyp]

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[Piratis]

"Do you really think that TCs would vote 'Yes' for a plan that goes against their wishes, even it is brookered by Erdogan himself or let alone Erdogan even it is brokered by God?"

First of all, I doubt any meeting will happen, and Turkey to want a true solution for Cyprus right now is just part of fiction.

That said, if/when in the future Turkey is forced to agree with RoC for a solution (say in 15-20 years when Turkey will be entering the EU), then TCs will have no other option than to accept this deal.
The reason is that the only reason the illegality is kept are the 40.000 Turkish troops and the Turkish policies. Without this, there is nothing to keep RoC/EU from enforcing the law or whatever other agreement we make. What exactly are the TCs going to do? We might be weak as well, but at least we have the law on our side. What will you have if Turkey is forced to remove her backing to your illegal regime?

Therefore I agree with Papadopoulos that we have negotiate with Turkey directly, and make the Cyprus problem a big problem for Turkey itself.

In any case either with RoC or with any new agreement, non of your true rights will be violated, and you will have a lot more to gain from a solution than insisting for 20-30-50 years on outrageous demands that will never be accepted or achieved.

[turkcyp]

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[Piratis]

You didn't say anything much different than what I said. I also said that the solution can not be found not now, but in 15-20 years when/if Turkey will be entering the EU.

For Turkey to enter the EU, the state should manage to control the army and many reforms should happen in the next 10 years. IF this happens then do you really think that Turkey will sacrifice the prospects of their corporations and the well being of their people for 100.000 TCs (that would in any case benefit from a solution at least as much as anybody else).
Today they sell their citizens nationalistic crap to distract them from their internal problems. This is a policy that can change if the politicians decide it is for the benefit of their own country to change rout.

Turkish Cypriots have such demands now because they feel Turkey behind them. I know you will not like this, but a brief (3-4 years) "re-education" of TCs by Turkey can change the demands and expectations of TCs.

So I don't know how the balance will develop in the next 10-15 years, but the fact is that the problem will be solved between RoC and Turkey and TCs will gladly (or less gladly) accept whatever the outcome is.

Of course instead of waiting for your fate to hit you, you could take action and come in an agreement with us without taking directions from Turkey. If you achieve that (thats a huge if) we can both achieve better terms for ourselves on the expense of the Turkish and British interests. (ok, thats way too remote, but anyways)

[-mikkie2-]

Piratis,

I think deep down you know that time works against Cyprus. We cannot wait 15-20 years. You only have to see what has been happening over the past 2 years. Do we want to see a million Turks in the north? I personally don't. I also doubt that the TC's would either. We need to find a solution in the next couple of years.

My guess is that Turkey will not stand the heat for too long. If the economic situation improves as it has over resent years I would imagine most Turks would not want to loose this prosperity over Cyprus. We have to look at the changing dynamics of Turkey as well. If the ordinary Turk in the street start to see the benefits of EU membership would they want to jepodise this over Cyprus?

[Agios Amvrosios]

This just shows the way that Mother Turkey is using TC as pawns for political votes and show boating.

[magikthrill]

turkcyp,

regarding your comments about TCs voting a plan just because it was proposed by Erdogan, well facts speak for themselves.

And according to Alexandros' study, most TCs dont mind having their policy lead by Turkey, n'est-ce pas?

[pantelis]

Erdogan and Papadopoulos have been reading your posts.
They realized that your plan, to solve the Cyprus problem "from the bottom up", leaving them and the rest of the leaderships and armies (foreign and domestic), out of the process, would disastrous to their careers.
Now they are rushing to meet with each other, to solve the problem themselves, their way, so they can claim credit for it (Even a Nobel Peace Prize".
Should we let them do it?
NOT..........

[Agios Amvrosios]

I agree with Pantelis. Erdogan comes onto this forum late at night in his pyjamas to get fully briefed about the Cyprus problem.

Then he goes and gargles mouth wash and swallows it instead of spitting it out.