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[boulio]

Turkish PM erdogan a few days ago via nikos anastasiades offered to meet with papadopoulos in northern cyprus,the ROC govt.spokesman today issued a satement that the govt. is willing to meet with the turkish PM at a neutral area such as the ledra palace in the dead zone of the green line.How do the forumers see these developments and do you think they will lead to anywere or is it a PR show by either side.

[Saint Jimmy]

I saw that on the news last night man, it sounded soooo weird...
It struck me as odd because Erdogan said all this time 'the two sides should work things out between them, and we'll support their agreement', thus denying to meet T-Pap in person... Now it seems he's given in, at least to me.
My first thought when I heard about this was that Turkey may be more anxious to solve it than I thought
Still, it's just one gesture... We'll have to wait and see.
I hope I was wrong all this time though, and T-Pap's strategy works out... I'll be more than happy to come out and say 'I was wrong'!

[turkcyp]

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[Saint Jimmy]

Let me ask you a serious question too all my GC firends.

"Do you really think that TCs would vote 'Yes' for a plan that goes against their wishes, even it is brookered by Erdogan himself or let alone Erdogan even it is brokered by God?"

Νο, I don't.

Or in other words, "Do you really think we are a bunch of herd that needs a shepherd to tell us what to do?'

No, I don't.

If your asnwer is 'yes' then I guess you are so blinded by this "pseudo" state propaganda machine that simply will cause us loose more and more time.

Fair enough, but it's not.

And do you really think that Erdogan and T.Pap will sit together alone in a room and solve the Cyprus problem without TCs.

No, I don't.

And even furthermore what makes you really think that Erdogan is going to be more open to GC demands than TCs. Just because they have EU aspirations do you think that they will be more sympathatic to GC demands than TCs.

No one said he will be more open and sympathetic. He's just changed his tune from 'I won't talk with you directly' to 'Yeah, I suppose we could arrange a coffee meeting, but only if Talat's going to be there.' This change had to come from something, wouldn't you say? So, I guessed that the something could be Erdogan's concerns about the Cyprus thing messing his EU accession talks.

Anyway, I really hope to see Erdogan meeting with T. Pap alone actually so that may be you can realize that your main negotitiation partner is here in Cyprus, (not just becaase we will be your final partner, but also because we are less nationalistic and more sympathatic to your feelings)

I just hope,

OK, granted. Still, you have left one question unanswered: nationalistic and inconsiderate to our feelings as he may be, why did Erdogan change his course on the issue of meeting with T-Pap face-to-face? It could just be a PR trick, and that's why I said 'we'll have to wait and see' in my post above. But it could also indicate Turkey fearing implications in its EU prospects. Do you disagree with this? I didn't get your dismissive approach... Do you mean that he is not really interested in compromising for a solution, and he's just agreed to meet T-Pap for the heck of it? Just for kicks?

I'm not being ironic, I really don't understand how you explain Erdogan's change of stance. I'm actually asking that.

[boulio]

turkcyp no need to get your feathers ruffled,all im asking if this will lead to anywere.you are either naive or blind if you think that the turkish elite(isans favorite term) dosent have a huge and if not final say in what will happen in cyprus on behalf of the turkish cypriots.All im asking will this meeting that you seem so much adamently opposed to will have any benefits for a solution in cyprus or a start to one.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Personally, I think such a meeting is a very good idea. Up till now, the enstrangement between Greek Cypriots and Turkey has been absolute, leading to paranoia on both sides. Such meetings will help to create a more positive climate all round, and a sense that "yes, we can co-operate on this and perhaps trust each other"

[-mikkie2-]

Erdogan has said, Turkey has said, that they did all they could! They use this excuse constantly to not budge on anything.

Perhaps this is a change of tune. I for one think that Turkey needs to engage with the Greek Cypriots in order to build trust. Our fears are mainly to do with Turkey, not the Turkish Cypriots.

[Saint Jimmy]

Well, yeah, no one doubts that it's a good idea.
The question is, do you think it actually means something, considering Erdogan's previous strict denial to meet with T-Pap?
I think it's a pretty major development, amidst the last few months' stalemate...
Not only that, but it also proves that Erdogan is more than willing to work towards a solution - for whatever reason(s). So, if we are to believe our president in that he is just as eager to go after an improved solution, there is yet hope for poor old us...

[boulio]

interesting comments coming out of turkey today:

http://www.naftemporiki.gr/news/static/ ... 014239.htm

sorry in greek

it is a comment from the turkish defence minster stating that the turkish general staff has stated today for a second time that none of turkeys neighbors are conisered to be a threat to turkey.he goes on to say that this is the first ime in the republics history that this has happened.

[Saint Jimmy]

interesting comments coming out of turkey today:

http://www.naftemporiki.gr/news/static/ ... 014239.htm

sorry in greek

it is a comment from the turkish defence minster stating that the turkish general staff has stated today for a second time that none of turkeys neighbors are conisered to be a threat to turkey.he goes on to say that this is the first ime in the republics history that this has happened.

When did they ever (see a neighbor as a threat)? I mean, in recent years..