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[pantelis]

Dear Insan


The problem Turkcyp is talking about has been imported from Turkey; Corruption and lawlessness and the mentality of, “If one can get away with it, why not all of us?”.

Nadir became rich in Cyprus. His "friends" in Cyprus are the ones protecting him, right now.
All the other criminals, from Britain, found refuge behind the corrupt and lawless regime in the north.
Has anyone been arrested for the bomb at Talat's house?
How about the bankers who stole the money and run? Why were they able to run?

The "embargo" started after Nadir became rich and after he was exposed and prosecuted with crimes that had nothing to do with his dealings in Cyprus.

Law and order, are the first ingredients for prosperity. Gather those first....and the rest will follow!

The issue I was trying to bring insan is not one of a political situation of Cyprus Problem. It is of a problem of mentality. TC society has been slowly being programmed to be a passive and docile.


I think this is an inevitable consequence of the situation we have been in in last 30 years, besides; the lack of capability to resolve the problems.

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This has been managed so far to be done in the last 30 years, now the only thing changing is the main actors. Instead of getting hand-outs from Turkey we will be getting hand-outs from RoC. I do not want that. We as TCs should realize this can only result in our demise, with no productive instincts left inside us.


Turkey had to give the hand-outs and TCs had to take it as long as Turkey and TCs couldn't manage to convince international community that the embargos were unfair and wouldn't help to solve the cyprus problem. Do you think that embargo being imposed upon TCs is fair or helped to resolve Cyprus problem.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 47,00.html

January 23, 2005

Prufrock: Nadir's solicitor is struck off



CITY old-timers often tell some cracking yarns about Asil Nadir, the Polly Peck businessman who fled Britain in 1993 while awaiting trial on theft charges.
The best ones range from the 14 girlfriends Nadir allegedly kept on the company books as “consultants” to variations of how MP Michael Mates gave him the watch infamously inscribed “Don’t let the buggers get you down”.



But almost all the stories end with a warning that nearly everything Nadir touched was dodgy.

Well, here’s another one. Peter Krivinskas, long-standing adviser and lawyer to Nadir, has been struck off as a solicitor. The Law Society has confirmed his removal from its roll of solicitors.

In the past decade Krivinskas has represented a string of alleged and convicted fraudsters. Last year he unsuccesfully defended George Steen, who was jailed for six years for his part in a scam in which businessmen were offered bogus loans.

But it seems that Krivinskas might have spent a little too much time around some of his clients. The Law Society found he had been dishonest and voted for his removal.

I tried to contact Krivinskas at his office last week but he was not there.

Nadir continues to live in Cyprus, where fellow residents include drug barons Mickey Greene, Brian “The Milkman” Wright and meat merchant Peter “Maggot” Roberts.

Perhaps Krivinskas will also pop up in Cyprus some day soon to visit his most famous client.

Keep your eyes peeled.

[insan]

Law and order, are the first ingredients for prosperity. Gather those first....and the rest will follow!

Is there any in south? I don't deny the corruptness in North but please go nationmaster.com and check what's the corruptness rate of South Cyprus. Which countries top the charts on money laundering, human trafficing, illegal workers? What has been the outcome of Matsis case? What about the grenade attack to Anastasiades? Anyone arrested and judged?

Economic irregularities in the Municipality of Limassol
2003-10-28 | Simerini | ---------
New facts have come to light over the economic situation in the Municipality of Limassol. The facts are included in the reports of the Auditor General Chrystalla Georghadzi and are quite revealing. In particular: In the last years, the Municipality proceeded with qualitative upgrading of its employees with high wage scales, but also with appointments, in violation of the regulations, aggravating even further its serious economic problems.

http://www.cyprusmedianet.com/EN/article/14273?

President Papadopoulos’ intervention regarding profiteering
2004-01-07 | Politis | Πετρούλα Αργυρού
He calls upon citizens to protect themselves
Commerce Ministry to conduct regularly price inspections

President Papadopoulos intervened regarding the phenomenon of profiteering: “In many cases, prices have unreasonably risen”, he points out and calls upon citizens to protect themselves.
Yesterday, President Papadopoulos expressed his concern at the increased occurrence of profiteering phenomena and requested the intervention of the Commerce Minister.

http://www.cyprusmedianet.com/EN/article/17348?

They Distributed Properties Generously
2004-07-02 | Ηaravgi | Ελένη Κωνσταντίνου
Report on the management of Church property by the Archbishopric reveals serious irregularities

Information on buying and selling irregularities committed by politicians, businessmen and journalists are confirmed.


Suggestions are included in the 400 pages long report, which was drawn by the investigation committee on the management of Church property by the Archbishopric. Yesterday the Holy Synod convened to consider the report of the investigation committee. Although the essence of the matter was not discussed, general views were exchanged. According to information, the report includes a number of irregularities, violations and squandering of Church property. However, Paphos Metropolitan Chrysostomos and the investigation committee chairman Demetrakis Stylianides confirmed that politicians, executives, businessmen and two reporters were involved in land buying and selling.

http://www.cyprusmedianet.com/EN/article/25119?

Nicosia General Hospital: The Great Winning and Eating
2004-12-27 | Simerini | ΔHMHTPH ANΤPEOY
Isn’t a bit late for the President of the Republic to lash out at the Nicosia General Hospital scandal? Now, did he realize that he should denounce the unprecedented robbery achieved at the expense of the Cypriot taxpayer, after having wasted millions of pounds? What was he thinking last October, when the Hospital was delivered in trumpet ceremonies and speeches, in the presence of the Media? Wasn’t he aware of the dimensions of the scandal, the biggest in the history of the Republic, as the President has said, back then? It took him more than two months to discover the extent of the fraud? Never mind though: better late than never. To be fair, it has been less than two years since the President has assumed power, while the scandal goes back since the years of the Clerides government.

The question, which is masterfully put once again, is whether the guilt will pay in this case. Experience teaches and those who preserve memory remember that no person involved in any scandal, irregularity and bad management was ever punished in the 45 years old history of the Cypriot Republic. There was always a way to cover up the scandal, no matter how big it was. Besides, scandals are so frequent in Cyprus, that the next overshadows the previous before we even know it. Having such a short memory, we, as nation, have forgotten all about it.

The initial cost of the new capital hospital has almost tripled. There are definitely people involved in such criminal squandering of public money. The investigation that President Papadopoulos has promised should get to the bottom of this.

However, I have been meaning to outline one more thing: apart from the financial scandal, there is a huge moral scandal as well. I refer to thousand of patients who have been suffering every single day for years, despite the efforts of doctors and nurses, waiting for the wonder of completing the new hospital building.

It is time the responsible to account for it, isn’t it?

http://www.cyprusmedianet.com/EN/article/31120



Pantelis, who imported these corruptnesses to GC South? Greece? Perhaps. She also shakes with the corruptness nowadays. Even they tried to cheat EU with some fake economical reports. Will you deny these corruptnesses?


Where's the law and order that would bring us the properity? In South? I don't think so...

I know as always you skip answering these questions. I'm well aware of all.

[insan]

And what a coincidence! The two main looters of UN's food for oil scandal are two GCs.

An interim report by an independent UN investigative panel released earlier this month found that former program chief Benon Sevan obtained allocations of oil from Saddam Hussein's regime, but it stopped short of saying he had taken bribes or committed a crime.

But a report by a Senate subcommittee looking into the affair on Monday said: "Iraqi documents estimate that Sevan made approximately 1.2 million dollars from the exercise of these oil allocations."

"These findings show the problems in this program were far deeper and far greater than previously realized," subcommittee chairman Norman Coleman, a Minnesota Republican, said in a statement.

The Senate panel released documents from an Iraqi entity, State Oil Marketing, appearing to show that Sevan received the payments while serving as an intermediary for African Middle East Petroleum, a company of his "friend" Fakhry Abdelnoor.

http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publis ... 6283.shtml

[Piratis]

I guess insan fails to understand the difference between a country that some of its citizens act in an illegal way or are corrupt (this is true for most countries to one degree or another), and an illegal entity, a pseudo state, which is itself illegal and is based on violation of international law and human rights.

Yes, all the criminals and corrupted should be brought to justice, and this includes the criminal, illegal entity of "TRNC".

[-mikkie2-]

Insan,

In north Cyprus you have criminals that evade the laws of other countries. You confuse criminals that have committed crimes with nepotism. I agree, there is plenty of nepotism and corruption in the south just as there is in placesd such as Italy and Spain for example. But to actually suggest that the government is actively involved in criminal activities is quite frankly a joke.

[turkcyp]

Dear Insan
The problem Turkcyp is talking about has been imported from Turkey; Corruption and lawlessness and the mentality of, “If one can get away with it, why not all of us?”.

Please do not quote me as saying something I have never said. All I said was if we start accepting aid from external sources, we will be dependent on external sources. And we should learn to produce by ourselves instead of relying on external aid.

Nadir became rich in Cyprus. His "friends" in Cyprus are the ones protecting him, right now.
All the other criminals, from Britain, found refuge behind the corrupt and lawless regime in the north.
Has anyone been arrested for the bomb at Talat's house?
How about the bankers who stole the money and run? Why were they able to run?

First if all Nadir did not become rich in Cyprus. Nadir became rich in UK. And after he became very rich in UK he became target of Greek attack because he started investing a lot of money back in Cyprus. Of course none of these changes the fact that he had engaged in stock market manipulation which is illegal

I agree with you about the criminals from overseas founding refuge in the north. It is a shame but it does not say that it is lawlessness in Cyprus. It says that UK and other countries does not recognize TRNC as a sovereign government so legally they cannot ask for extradition. And all these criminals are exploiting that fact.

Bankers who stole money and run. You mean like Guzelyurtlu, who was hiding in south Cyprus. His bank was one of the banks who offered outrageous interest rates to society and took the money and run away.

Apart from these of course there’s is crime in north as well. Especially crime relating to Mafia, and the ones relating deep state which is a problem for every country not just north Cyprus. Are you going to deny the fact that south Cyprus has become the heaven for laundering Russian mafias money the same way north Cyprus had become a heaven to launder Turkish mafias money.

The "embargo" started after Nadir became rich and after he was exposed and prosecuted with crimes that had nothing to do with his dealings in Cyprus.

Embargos did not start after Nadir became rich. The embargos started after Nadir became rich in Uk, and turned back and invested lots of money to omorfo fro oranges and grapefruits and started selling all those produce to UK.

Of course with the application of GCs courts found this illegal in 1994.

Law and order, are the first ingredients for prosperity. Gather those first....and the rest will follow!

Can’t dispute that. But again this does not mean that there is lawlessness in North Cyprus.

[pantelis]

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... ewsid=6662

[insan]

Nicosia General Hospital: The Great Winning and Eating
2004-12-27 | Simerini | ΔHMHTPH ANΤPEOY
Isn’t a bit late for the President of the Republic to lash out at the Nicosia General Hospital scandal? Now, did he realize that he should denounce the unprecedented robbery achieved at the expense of the Cypriot taxpayer, after having wasted millions of pounds? What was he thinking last October, when the Hospital was delivered in trumpet ceremonies and speeches, in the presence of the Media? Wasn’t he aware of the dimensions of the scandal, the biggest in the history of the Republic, as the President has said, back then? It took him more than two months to discover the extent of the fraud? Never mind though: better late than never. To be fair, it has been less than two years since the President has assumed power, while the scandal goes back since the years of the Clerides government.

The question, which is masterfully put once again, is whether the guilt will pay in this case. Experience teaches and those who preserve memory remember that no person involved in any scandal, irregularity and bad management was ever punished in the 45 years old history of the Cypriot Republic. There was always a way to cover up the scandal, no matter how big it was. Besides, scandals are so frequent in Cyprus, that the next overshadows the previous before we even know it. Having such a short memory, we, as nation, have forgotten all about it.

The initial cost of the new capital hospital has almost tripled. There are definitely people involved in such criminal squandering of public money. The investigation that President Papadopoulos has promised should get to the bottom of this.

However, I have been meaning to outline one more thing: apart from the financial scandal, there is a huge moral scandal as well. I refer to thousand of patients who have been suffering every single day for years, despite the efforts of doctors and nurses, waiting for the wonder of completing the new hospital building.

It is time the responsible to account for it, isn’t it?

[uzan]

You are wrong my friend,we have nothing to return or stolen.We share the boat and the fish because you did not want to give anythink or leave with us.I think when you learn this we can and leave together in peace.
good day

actually a solution won't ever be achieved on if you think that the stolen property actually belongs to the TC community.

My Dear friend,
Turks have nothing to return because they left everythink 63-74 and they get something towards what they left.Why always you are talking about greeks, why dont say ones we cypriots left (GC,TC) and I agree with you.We have to stop saying ME,ME.ME,ME and that time we will find the solution and leave together for ever.
good day

[-mikkie2-]

Uzan,

What did the TC's get compared with what they left behind in the south? Many times more of what they had!