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[Sotos]

Our anger should be directed at our government that has brought all these onto us.

What a different government would do? Accept the Annan plan? That would be much worst. So tell me what another government would do that would be better.

[Get Real!]

Our anger should be directed at our government that has brought all these onto us. It is not just GB, we now have scores to settle with traditional friends too, such as Syria, Germany and Italy. Even Sweden "betrayed" us. It is easy to blame the "others" but we need to ask ourselves "what has brought on this behaviour even from our friends".

Oh my God! We're all gonna die I tell you... we're all gonna die!!!

[Daemon]

I'm fairly sure that the Anan Plan said nothing about the bases. UK offered to give up some land in one of the bases if Cyprus was reunited as a gesture/incentive towards a Yes Vote.

Yes it was.

ANNEX II: ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE TREATY OF
ESTABLISHMENT
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Greece
and Turkey
Desiring to make provision to give effect to the intention of the Government of
the United Kingdom to relinquish sovereignty over parts of the Akrotiri
Sovereign Base Area and Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area,
Have agreed as follows
Article 1
The areas in respect of which the United Kingdom relinquishes its sovereignty
are described in the Appendix to this Protocol. Those areas are in this
Protocol referred to as the relinquished areas.

Article 2
1. All international obligations and responsibilities of the United Kingdom in
relation to the relinquished areas shall henceforth, insofar as they may
be held to have application to the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area or the
Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area, be assumed by the United Cyprus
Republic.
2. All international rights and benefits heretofore enjoyed by the United
Kingdom by virtue of their application to the relinquished areas shall
henceforth be enjoyed by the United Cyprus Republic.
Article 3
All legal liabilities and obligations incurred by or on behalf of the
Administration of the Sovereign Base Areas or the Government of the United
Kingdom in relation to the relinquished areas and subsisting immediately
before the date of entry into force of this Protocol shall have the effect as from
that date as if they were incurred by or on behalf of Cyprus.

Article 4
Immovable property in the relinquished areas held by the Government of the
United Kingdom shall be subject to the provisions of Annex B, Part III of the
Treaty of Establishment. Other immovable property in the relinquished areas
which became the property of the Sovereign Base Areas Administration
pursuant to paragraph 2 of Section 1 of Annex E to the Treaty of Establishment
shall on the date of entry into force of this Protocol become the
property of Cyprus.

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This could be considered as a gift but I’m afraid what in a new solution with out
this article the bases was going to be illegal. So the above is product of negotiation.

Rather like a much bigger and more powerful united Spain, as a member
of Europe, has thrown the British out of Gibraltar.

Cyprus had better chances of course.

[Daemon]

What a different government would do? Accept the Annan plan? That would be much worst. So tell me what another government would do that would be better.

For a start could try to end Cyprus political isolation.

[observer]

I stand corrected on the UK Base Areas not being in the A Plan. But I think we both agree that it was a gift to encourage a Yes vote.

I'm not sure why the Bases would have been illegal without this section though. Without this section any agreement would only have affected territory that became RoC in 1960.

[Daemon]

I stand corrected on the UK Base Areas not being in the A Plan. But I think we
both agree that it was a gift to encourage a Yes vote.

Yes it could. But why you tried humiliating Cypriots with the 20 mil donation after all
you did and not did for Cyprus?

I'm not sure why the Bases would have been illegal without this section though.
Without this section any agreement would only have affected territory that became RoC in 1960.

Yes and this was not a product for negotiations?

[observer]

I wish someone would humiliate me with a 20 million donation.

[Daemon]

I wish someone would humiliate me with a 20 million donation.

You have a great responsibility for Cyprus and your virtual donation was the lowest.

Isn’t that annoying?

[Bananiot]

Britain offered a large sum, in the billions, for the reconstruction of Famagusta. The other question "what should we have done"? For a start we should not have deceived the international community that we were the side that was interested to solve the issue on the basis of the Annan Plan. Secondly, we should have proceeded with specific proposals immediately after the referenda, instead of kidding everyone that a European solution was at our door. Now the whole world is against us and even traditional friends are turning thier back to us.

[-mikkie2-]

Bananiot,

I agree with your statement that although we threw out the Annan plan, we didnt come up with our own propsals for a solution or make gestures to the other side to show that we genuinely want a solution. The government has been reactionary all the time with the events that have been happening since 2004. The biggest single mistake was to not use EU membership constructively. We are being undermined from all angles and quite frankly, the future for Cyrpus is not good. Talat the other day said that the if all 'workers' and their families in the north were given citizenship then the 'trnc' would have a population of 500000! We should all be afraid of this because the end result is that Turkey will be the master in the north and a partner in the south and I'm afraid over time this will lead to many Greek Cypriots leaving the island for good. It will take decades to happen, but that is what the end result will be. There will be no Greek Cypriots or Turkish Cypriots left and that should scare both communities.
Unfortunately our stupid politicians (on both sides) want to keep playing stupid games until there is nothing left to play with.