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[Viewpoint]

Then Piratis you deserve the current situation as re-electing your ex eoka, co author of Akritas and known Turks hater will give you more of the last 5 years, He does us TCs a great service and we can only hope that you make yet another historic mistake and re-elect a leader who has recieved absolute no EU support to bring about what he thought would get him what he wanted if he rejected the AP, you are further away from a solution than you have ever been and this is down to people like you who are happy and proud with the progress made by Papadop, keep up the good work.

[Bananiot]

Mikkie, things are now eventually seeing the light. For the first time, thanks to the elections, we are beginning to get an inside of what really happened in late 2003 and early 2004.

Christofias is interviewed by "Politis" today and says that he was begging the President to give to the UN our red lines so that they would be taken into consideration when the SG made his arbitration, to which Papadopoulos agreed because he thought wrongly that the Turks would reject.

He stubbornly refused to give our red lines because he did not want the Annan Plan to take them into consideration. He gambled and lost and now his primary aim was to reject the Annan Plan. Only a year earlier he was rebuffing Rauf who was asking for talks on a new basis and in fact offered to us Varosha on top. He told Rauf that we take nothing short of the Annan Plan. At Bongerstock he did not nigotiate since he did not give our red lines. It was like he told the SG to go ahead and arbitrate on the basis of the 11 points given by the Turkish side. Why did he do this? The answer is obvious and anyone with the minimum of common sense can guess.

Mikkie, I did not get your point regarding Klerides. I have no quarrel with him and I do understand that he was not exactly overjoyed by the final version of the Annan Plan as it was negotiated (better say not negotiated) by Papadopoulos. He is a pragmatic politician and if there is one man in Cyprus that understands the art of the feasible is Klerides.

Piratis on the other hand thinks that the situation can stay like it is forever. He thinks that the geopolitical interests of the big boys will be put on hold on account of little wee Cyprus. This is absurd, not worthy of consideration.

One final point. Had we said yes in 2004, the whole of Cyprus would have been in the European Union. Many of the European laws would have precedence over component states law or even federal law. I think in time things could have evolved for the better. Now, there is no hope. Our back is on the wall and the EU is cursing the moment it let us inside this exclusive club.

[Piratis]

Then Piratis you deserve the current situation as re-electing your ex eoka, co author of Akritas and known Turks hater will give you more of the last 5 years, He does us TCs a great service and we can only hope that you make yet another historic mistake and re-elect a leader who has recieved absolute no EU support to bring about what he thought would get him what he wanted if he rejected the AP, you are further away from a solution than you have ever been and this is down to people like you who are happy and proud with the progress made by Papadop, keep up the good work.

We are as far from a solution today as we have always been because foreign invadors occupy our land and they don't want to give it back. Don't hope that we will sign our land to you thought. That will never happen. You are destined to live your life knowing full well that you are illegally occupying our land and that sooner or later we will take it back either you like it or not.

So stop dreaming about a solution that will officially give you our land. That will never happen.

[Viewpoint]

Then Piratis you deserve the current situation as re-electing your ex eoka, co author of Akritas and known Turks hater will give you more of the last 5 years, He does us TCs a great service and we can only hope that you make yet another historic mistake and re-elect a leader who has recieved absolute no EU support to bring about what he thought would get him what he wanted if he rejected the AP, you are further away from a solution than you have ever been and this is down to people like you who are happy and proud with the progress made by Papadop, keep up the good work.

We are as far from a solution today as we have always been because foreign invadors occupy our land and they don't want to give it back. Don't hope that we will sign our land to you thought. That will never happen. You are destined to live your life knowing full well that you are illegally occupying our land and that sooner or later we will take it back either you like it or not.

So stop dreaming about a solution that will officially give you our land. That will never happen.

You may claim with commitment certain things Piratis doesnt mean they will happen, you once wanted to give Cyprus to Greece but it didnt materialize, you may dream of taking your land back by waiting for the swing in power to occur but you will be dead and long gone. Would it be better for people like you to adopt a more compromising view where both sides concerns are addressed and not push ours under the carpets by ignoring them.

How will Turkeys departure help TCs security concerns? You are disillusioned if you think that if Turkey withdrws everything will be OK, it will be mayhem and anarchy with many clashes and deaths.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

I read all your posts carefully. And I read your last one too. You seem to believe that the burden to act and show good faith is all on our side. Dont you think that it is fair to expect the Turkish Cypriots to do something towards a solution too? Voting "yes" in the referendum is not enough now, today. Have you seen any recent goodwill gesture?

Are Turkish critics of the TRNC regime wrong too? If you read Politis surely you read Sener Levent who is among the most informed people re the TRNC. Many of his comments reflect positions expressed in this forum.

[Viewpoint]

Bananiot,

I read all your posts carefully. And I read your last one too. You seem to believe that the burden to act and show good faith is all on our side. Dont you think that it is fair to expect the Turkish Cypriots to do something towards a solution too? Voting "yes" in the referendum is not enough now, today. Have you seen any recent goodwill gesture?

Are Turkish critics of the TRNC regime wrong too? If you read Politis surely you read Sener Levent who is among the most informed people re the TRNC. Many of his comments reflect positions expressed in this forum.

Whos positions?? can you provide a few examples?

At least we voted YES to a UN brokered plan backed by the world, what have GCs done???

[Piratis]

Christofias is lying and there is no doubt we will see more lies coming from him and Kasoulides as they see their chances of getting elected diminishing with every new poll that comes out.

Piratis on the other hand thinks that the situation can stay like it is forever. He thinks that the geopolitical interests of the big boys will be put on hold on account of little wee Cyprus. This is absurd, not worthy of consideration.

And how are geopolitical interests of the big boys served by recognition of the pseudo state?
The geopolitical interests of the Americans are better served with a conflicting situation in Cyprus that can be used at the same time against both Cyprus and Turkey.

One final point. Had we said yes in 2004, the whole of Cyprus would have been in the European Union. Many of the European laws would have precedence over component states law or even federal law. I think in time things could have evolved for the better. Now, there is no hope. Our back is on the wall and the EU is cursing the moment it let us inside this exclusive club.

If we had voted "yes" today we wouldn't have a state, we would have a community that would own half Cyprus, while the Turks would officially own the other half and control via their minority and their settlers the whole island. We wouldn't have a voice in EU, UN or anywhere else since Turkey with her vetoes would be able to mute everything that doesn't suit them.

So not only we would permanently and officially lose north Cyprus, we would not even have a state to fight for our rights anymore. We would be begging for a clean partition but the Turks would not even want to hear about it.

And the EU is perfectly happy with us. What problem did we ever created to them?? In fact most of the countries of EU are glad that Cyprus can be used as an excuse to keep Turkey out of EU.

[-mikkie2-]

Bananiot,

I don't think the situation is as straighforward as you make it out. There were big dangers hidden in the Annan plan and quite frankly we just don't know how things would go if we said yes.

It worries me that we essentially legally split Cyprus in two by saying yes, and some of the points raised by Piratis are very valid.

The other thing that worries me also, is that Turkey is using EU membership as a way of getting what it wants. There is nothing to say that Turkey wouldn't have used implementation of the Annan plan to do the same.

It is a very difficult situation and it is not as simple as saying we are going to negotiate a solution. The question is, on what basis is the solution to be negotiated from. And from what we are hearing from Talat, it is a two state solution with a confederal nature.

[Nikitas]

Really, what problem has Cyprus caused in the EU since it joined. Piratis is right on this.

There is not one single instance when Cyprus has stood its ground and demanded to have its position and special requirements taken into consideration. One example- the EU said stop amateur fishing with nets, we said yes sir, other countries asked and got some expemptions. Compared to Poland that fights tooth and nail every session of the EU Council we are like angels. So where is this hard time Cyprus is supposed to be giving the EU?

[Piratis]

At least we voted YES to a UN brokered plan backed by the world, what have GCs done???

You also grossly violate UN resolutions backed by the whole world, or you forgot about those?

And the world backed a plan that said that would be null and void if rejected. If that line was not included in the plan certainly the world would not back it.

We had every right to reject the AP while you have no right to occupy our land.