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[Get Real!]

It’s time you cut the charade Utu. Nobody residing in British Columbia would bother defending the “TRNC” at every opportunity, or even knowing about it so much unless they were Turkish Cypriot.

And what charade is that? And for your information, I'm not so much 'defending' one side as trying to point out some of the absurdities in what you and other people are saying. You are influenced by your hatred of the Turkish presence, and thus you see any opinion not as one-sided as yours as being 'anti-Cypriot'.

Indeed! I have noticed your poor attempts to spot-paint your posts with “neutrality” by throwing in a few sweeteners here and there but it’s not enough I’m afraid.

Your overall agenda has been very rigid and obvious right from the start of your membership and you have progressively slackened to the point where you've even started initiating pro “TRNC” threads.

Even criminal Brits who love the idea of 'buying' stolen property at bargain prices in the "TRNC" wouldn’t bother starting such threads quite simply because they couldn’t care less about Turkish Cypriots but you obviously do!

I will make this point clear: Federation is - I believe - the preferred solution for Cyprus. Independence for the north is not realistic, and neither is a return to a unitary state. Certainly annexation is out. So I guess that makes me a pragmatist. Would that be a dirty word in your dictionary, GR?

I'm not here to talk about federation Utu... I'm here to talk about you and GR has yet to accuse someone of something like this and be proven wrong...

[utu]

We are here to discuss a solution to the Cyprus Problem. It is plain to see that any solution that I propose is something you won't even consider. If you truly think of yourself as a Cypriot, then why is reconciliation with Turkish Cypriots anathma to you?

[Get Real!]

We are here to discuss a solution to the Cyprus Problem. It is plain to see that any solution that I propose is something you won't even consider. If you truly think of yourself as a Cypriot, then why is reconciliation with Turkish Cypriots anathma to you?

No! I simply do not discuss possible solutions with foreigners because I don't think it's any of their business.

When Utu comes clean with his identity I will be more than happy to consider his suggestions as those coming from one of my compatriots.

[phoenix]

The collective "you" was for ALL those who support the illegal "TRNC" and its activities . . . and from YOUR posts that pretty much includes you too!

Before you pass judgement on my rationality, I would examine your motives . . . since you are not Turkish . . . for supporting them as you do, when I, who was born on Cyprus, decide that I want the Turkish troops and Turkish settlers to return to Turkey (or further afield).

What is your vested interest in "clarifying" forum posts in favour of Turks, for my benefit ?

I'm trying to find a balance. Regardless of what you beleive, returning to the status quo ante of 1960 is not possible. There is too much mistrust. So - if your solution of denuding Cyprus of every person of Turkish descent is not taken up - what other solution is there? Federalism seems to be the only answer. I think that I'm in a better position to offer an opinion because I'm neither Greek, Cypriot, or Turkish. That way, my observations are not tainted by nationlist bias.

Incredulous to believe is your notion, that whatever nationality you CLAIM to be, you seem to think you are above bias.

Still, how can you be so sure my desire to see the removal of Turks (Troops + settlers) will not be fulfilled?

[utu]

The collective "you" was for ALL those who support the illegal "TRNC" and its activities . . . and from YOUR posts that pretty much includes you too!

Before you pass judgement on my rationality, I would examine your motives . . . since you are not Turkish . . . for supporting them as you do, when I, who was born on Cyprus, decide that I want the Turkish troops and Turkish settlers to return to Turkey (or further afield).

What is your vested interest in "clarifying" forum posts in favour of Turks, for my benefit ?

I'm trying to find a balance. Regardless of what you beleive, returning to the status quo ante of 1960 is not possible. There is too much mistrust. So - if your solution of denuding Cyprus of every person of Turkish descent is not taken up - what other solution is there? Federalism seems to be the only answer. I think that I'm in a better position to offer an opinion because I'm neither Greek, Cypriot, or Turkish. That way, my observations are not tainted by nationlist bias.

Incredulous to believe is your notion, that whatever nationality you CLAIM to be, you seem to think you are above bias.

Still, how can you be so sure my desire to see the removal of Turks (Troops + settlers) will not be fulfilled?

I was under the impression that you mean ALL persons with Turkish roots, which also meant the Turkish Cypriot people. Sorry for thinking otherwise...

[phoenix]

The collective "you" was for ALL those who support the illegal "TRNC" and its activities . . . and from YOUR posts that pretty much includes you too!

Before you pass judgement on my rationality, I would examine your motives . . . since you are not Turkish . . . for supporting them as you do, when I, who was born on Cyprus, decide that I want the Turkish troops and Turkish settlers to return to Turkey (or further afield).

What is your vested interest in "clarifying" forum posts in favour of Turks, for my benefit ?

I'm trying to find a balance. Regardless of what you beleive, returning to the status quo ante of 1960 is not possible. There is too much mistrust. So - if your solution of denuding Cyprus of every person of Turkish descent is not taken up - what other solution is there? Federalism seems to be the only answer. I think that I'm in a better position to offer an opinion because I'm neither Greek, Cypriot, or Turkish. That way, my observations are not tainted by nationlist bias.

Incredulous to believe is your notion, that whatever nationality you CLAIM to be, you seem to think you are above bias.

Still, how can you be so sure my desire to see the removal of Turks (Troops + settlers) will not be fulfilled?

I was under the impression that you mean ALL persons with Turkish roots, which also meant the Turkish Cypriot people. Sorry for thinking otherwise...

Of prime importance to me is that all who want to live in Cyprus put its interests first, that means no division, one language (Greek), RoC government with no power sharing (just Democracy) . . . + a few minor wishes.

[Get Real!]

The collective "you" was for ALL those who support the illegal "TRNC" and its activities . . . and from YOUR posts that pretty much includes you too!

Before you pass judgement on my rationality, I would examine your motives . . . since you are not Turkish . . . for supporting them as you do, when I, who was born on Cyprus, decide that I want the Turkish troops and Turkish settlers to return to Turkey (or further afield).

What is your vested interest in "clarifying" forum posts in favour of Turks, for my benefit ?

I'm trying to find a balance. Regardless of what you beleive, returning to the status quo ante of 1960 is not possible. There is too much mistrust. So - if your solution of denuding Cyprus of every person of Turkish descent is not taken up - what other solution is there? Federalism seems to be the only answer. I think that I'm in a better position to offer an opinion because I'm neither Greek, Cypriot, or Turkish. That way, my observations are not tainted by nationlist bias.

Incredulous to believe is your notion, that whatever nationality you CLAIM to be, you seem to think you are above bias.

Still, how can you be so sure my desire to see the removal of Turks (Troops + settlers) will not be fulfilled?

I was under the impression that you mean ALL persons with Turkish roots, which also meant the Turkish Cypriot people. Sorry for thinking otherwise...

Of prime importance to me is that all who want to live in Cyprus put its interests first, that means no division, one language (Greek), RoC government with no power sharing (just Democracy) . . . + a few minor wishes.

The English language is slowly but surely taking over the business world and I'm glad.

[humanist]

Phoenix

The pseudo "TRNC" not so good at investments in services then

Just one less illegality that you perpetrate upon my country, as far as I am concerned.

I don't know about that dear Phoenix the American University is pooring a lot of money into it. There is no isolation, at all. They are as rich ans succuessful in the occupied areas as the free areas of Cyprus. The British and American's are making sure of this have no doubts.

I do agree with the one less illegality bit. One would have to ask how committed are Cyprus' neighbours in supporting justice for Cyprus. One where all Cypriots have equal share to resources and opportunities and thir rights restored.


Utu

And what charade is that? And for your information, I'm not so much 'defending' one side as trying to point out some of the absurdities in what you and other people are saying. You are influenced by your hatred of the Turkish presence, and thus you see any opinion not as one-sided as yours as being 'anti-Cypriot'.

I will make this point clear: Federation is - I believe - the preferred solution for Cyprus. Independence for the north is not realistic, and neither is a return to a unitary state. Certainly annexation is out. So I guess that makes me a pragmatist. Would that be a dirty word in your dictionary, GR?

ut you have no idea, what the Turkish army has done in Cyprus and the lives that it destroyed upon its invasion. My uncle just 18 years was taken by the Turkish gun so if there is hatred of Turkish presence I think it is rightly justified. I was 6 years ol and I remember the Red cross help we received.

Infact if you would care to notice most Cypriots of greekspeaking background on this forum are pro unification, and whilst there are a few who have a fascist view, it is the majority of Cypriots of a Turkish speaking background on this forum who show utter, hated towards the others who speak Greek.

I would like to hear from you, your views on Qubec gaining independence from the rest of canada. that might assist me to understand where you come from.

[Daemon]

Chatting and bullshiting some times is funny but while you are speaking for the form of a possible solution there are no other option than BBF where all the GC’s leaders in the past had sign for.

Besides BBF is division.

And beside the fact that there is no way to over pass the agreements there is no other realistic and implementable solution in the specific circumstances.

Ps: Canada is confederation (Something that Anan plan was not in every case and there is not even one expert in this issue that can claim such bullshit) and Quebec can request independence (where the TC’s in the Anan plan could not by specific notions).

[humanist]

Utu, firstly the term you have used Turkish Cypriots immediately deliniates separation. If you truly want to discuss possible solutions begin by using the term Cypriots. As mentioned earlier the fact that you believe adamantly that unification or reconciliation with one art of Cyriots promotes a sense of anathema with another specific groups, you are already choosing to take sides. we have had to deal with the British and american's taking the Turkish side for over half a century, we do not need it any more. If you genuinely wish to see a reconciliation of Cypriots then perhaps begin by addressing the current situation where many Cypriots are not allowed access to their country let alone to their home and other property, perhaps when that is changed it will provide a place where people can reconcile. There is a whole empty city wasting away and yet people are not allowed to access their home s and begin to feel acceptance trust anda sense of yes we can talk.