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[Bananiot]

Cyprus has a future only as a multicultural, multi ethnic country. Nationalists will never get their way again. They have caused enough damage.

[phoenix]

Cyprus has a future only as a multicultural, multi ethnic country. Nationalists will never get their way again. They have caused enough damage.

I don't think anyone would argue against that Bananiot.

The wholeness of Cyprus is made up of the constituents of its rich tapestry of various contributors.
However, there is no room for those who want to divide it by any name, or means, or those who invite other nations as their protectors to serve them a bigger slice of Cyprus.
It is a democracy and each person is an individual, no more and no less.

[Nikitas]

"Turkey has stolen our TCs . . . ." said Phoenix,

Well, that is exactly what happened, and we did not have enough brains at the time it was happening to realise what the theft would mean for us. Actually at the time Greece was trying to steal us. Now we know the effects of this double sided stealing. The idea was a double union but it went wrong along the way, most likely the Turks double crossed the Greeks in a proxy war in Cyprus.

[phoenix]

"Turkey has stolen our TCs . . . ." said Phoenix,

Well, that is exactly what happened, and we did not have enough brains at the time it was happening to realise what the theft would mean for us. Actually at the time Greece was trying to steal us. Now we know the effects of this double sided stealing. The idea was a double union but it went wrong along the way, most likely the Turks double crossed the Greeks in a proxy war in Cyprus.

. . . or the Turks were allowed to fulfill their ambitions to the end . . . whereas Greece was thwarted by the brave GCs that fought against the coupists.

If only the TCs were brave enough or loyal enough to Cyprus to have done the same to Turkey . . . none of us would be in this mess.

[Nikitas]

That is right Phoenix. The GCs resisted the "embrace" of Greece.

Cyprus was a risk free possibility of gain for both "motherlands", a fight over something that belonged to neither one. Unless the Cypriots resist they will be swallowed up. The Turkish Cypriots do not have a chance against the mainlanders because they are swamped. EU is their last chance to assert themselves and get out of this "embrace", assuming their leadership is not betraying them. But how to assert themselves when all the vital centers of power, even the police and fire brigade, are under the direct control of the Turkish army commander is the problem. This one they will have to solve by themselves.

Now watch how VP and Co are going to scream about how if we had not persecuted them in the 60s etc and finally justify the present situation of total submission to Turkey.

[boomerang]

The tcs always complain about 63 to 74, forgetting that the gcs also were terrorised by eoka B and TMT...in 74 it came to a head on and the poor suckers were the gcs that fought against the island's tormentors and enosis on their own...

The question is why the tcs seeing they hated enosis along with the majority of their compatriots, didn't come out to help rather than taking the easy way out...while 200,000 odd of their compatriots were ethnically cleasned...

The way I see it they deserted us and now they scream about enosis...even vp brings it up all the time...he seems to have a short memory that the majority of the gcs DIDN'T want enosis, the tcs worse fear...

The tcs lost a great opportunity to set the record straight...

[boomerang]

I would like to know if we accepted enosis back in 74, what would the tcs or turkey could have done?...because the Greek and gcs army would have been ready for them...Would there be any tcs in the RoC today if turkey attacked?....well I will let you ponder on this one...

Then maybe the tcs would have a reason to complain...

[Nikitas]

Ah Boomerang,

There was no chance the Junta guys would have fought the Turks. It was a deal to split the island and unite each part with the respecive motherland. It was because we fough back that the Turks realised they could double cross the Greek side and get away with it, which they did.

The proof of all this? One, the fact that in Greece the Cyprus file was closed because of "national interest" ,

Two , the man who know most about this, dictator Ioannidis, has refused to talk, and is still in jail. He is reported as saying "the bastards betrayed me" when the second Attila started.

Three, statements by junior officers and troops who were told not to engage the invading Turks because "it is all worked out" . Only when the bombing of civilian areas started did they realise they were fucked and asked for permission to engage. Athens high command refused until Brigadier Georgitsis hung his phone out the window and they could hear the bombing that they relented.

If there had been a genuine union of Greece and Cyprus and a unified front no doubt about which way things would have gone. But if there had been a unified front there would have been no idiotic coup against the government to begin with.

One thing you got to admit, when Greeks fuck up they do it big time!

[boomerang]

Nikitas...

If the Greeks and Turks made a deal, why was Ioannidis reported as saying he was betrayed?...if they agreed to split the island where was the betrayal with the 2nd attila?...I presume they were gonna split it to the current lines...

All I am saying is the tcs should have come out and help us the poor bastards that fought against enosis...their worsed nighmare as we have been let to believe in this forum...

So when the tcs come out and scream we wanted enosis, is an out right lie...They wasted a perfect chance to re claim thier position in the RoC...

Had they come out and fought against the coupists, life on the island would have been better for everyone...

[phoenix]

I do not believe the Greeks would have done a deal to accept only half the Island.

I think Greece wanted the WHOLE island because historically they believed it should rightfully be part of Greece.
Turkey of course could only get away with less than half the island . . . if it went for the whole island they would have then met disapproval from the Brits and Americans.

It seems really strange and out of character for Greece to decide to do a deal with Turkey to split their "assets" . . .