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[umit07]

Kikapu

A question for you, if Turkey dictates everything to us and for this reason you are saying its no use to even talk with Talat, then why have past GC presidents always talked with Denktas? Why is it now that you have woken up?

If you ask a GC what the entire problem is about, he would tell you it is "the occupation of our lands by the Turkish army".

If you asked a TC he'd say "It's the problem of the GC's not wanting to share the governing power they had stripped from us since 1964"

What Tpap is trying to do is put his back against the EU and try to lure Turkey into the arena to make the problem seem like it's only between them and Turkey, and the problem being the withdrawal of Turkish troops form the North.

You guys don't get it but the only weapon you got is blackmailing Turkey with the EU card. Once all the harmonisation process is over and the EU still doesn't want them, ( which is what will happen in the end) then you will be at square one again.

[zan]

Two states, two peoples solutions (aka partition) you can shove them up your ass.

If Tpap wins then that will seal partition if not then another go at the Annan Plan.

Keep dreaming old man. You will die in the UK still waiting for that to happen.

Then you will die waiting for your dream as well Sotos....Or do you plan to live for ever..........

I will not live forever but Cyprus will. Look at the history. Many invadors nobody took our land permanently. Your "trnc" has an expiration date.

You keep living off the brave deeds of our Cypriot forefathers mate........They probably had more integrity in their little finger than you have in your whole being. I wonder if they ever turned on one quarter of their own countrymen........There are no mass graves so I would say NO!!!!!

[zan]

Kikapu

A question for you, if Turkey dictates everything to us and for this reason you are saying its no use to even talk with Talat, then why have past GC presidents always talked with Denktas? Why is it now that you have woken up?

If you ask a GC what the entire problem is about, he would tell you it is "the occupation of our lands by the Turkish army".

If you asked a TC he'd say "It's the problem of the GC's not wanting to share the governing power they had stripped from us since 1964"

What Tpap is trying to do is put his back against the EU and try to lure Turkey into the arena to make the problem seem like it's only between them and Turkey, and the problem being the withdrawal of Turkish troops form the North.

You guys don't get it but the only weapon you got is blackmailing Turkey with the EU card. Once all the harmonisation process is over and the EU still doesn't want them, ( which is what will happen in the end) then you will be at square one again.

Well said Umit........

[Sotos]

If you ask a GC what the entire problem is about, he would tell you it is "the occupation of our lands by the Turkish army".

If you asked a TC he'd say "It's the problem of the GC's not wanting to share the governing power they had stripped from us since 1964"

And which of the two is true? I say the true one is the first. Otherwise the TCs would come back to RoC and take back their power share. But they don't do that why? Because the problem is that they want to occupy our lands! Thats the problem. They want the north part of our island to be Turkish.

[zan]

If you ask a GC what the entire problem is about, he would tell you it is "the occupation of our lands by the Turkish army".

If you asked a TC he'd say "It's the problem of the GC's not wanting to share the governing power they had stripped from us since 1964"

And which of the two is true? I say the true one is the first. Otherwise the TCs would come back to RoC and take back their power share. But they don't do that why? Because the problem is that they want to occupy our lands! Thats the problem. They want the north part of our island to be Turkish.

He did say if you ask a Greek.............

[Sotos]

Two states, two peoples solutions (aka partition) you can shove them up your ass.

If Tpap wins then that will seal partition if not then another go at the Annan Plan.

Keep dreaming old man. You will die in the UK still waiting for that to happen.

Then you will die waiting for your dream as well Sotos....Or do you plan to live for ever..........

I will not live forever but Cyprus will. Look at the history. Many invadors nobody took our land permanently. Your "trnc" has an expiration date.

You keep living off the brave deeds of our Cypriot forefathers mate........They probably had more integrity in their little finger than you have in your whole being. I wonder if they ever turned on one quarter of their own countrymen........There are no mass graves so I would say NO!!!!!

Of course our forefathers fought against the foreign invadors that wanted to violate our rights and occupy our land. You think you are the only ones who can kill Zan? But we fight for justice and liberation. You fight to occupy our land and violate our rights.

[Kikapu]

Two states, so where is the BBF everyone was touting all these years? A federal state is ONE state, with one legal personality and one sovereignty.

This two state deal, read in conjunction with Gul's past statements for ending GC sovereignty sounds more like partition. So why not call it that from the outset and leave the nonsense aside!

THe more said about this the more it looks like another impasse is in the offing. Turkey is good at pretending that it is not interested in the legal details, yet it is just as good as using those details to its own ends. Inorder to start the federation on the basis of two states the RoC would have to be dissolved, which would rob it of the legal advantages of continuity as a nation. Whoever agrees to this is a traitor to ALL Cypriots. TCs benefit from the continuity of the legal personality of Cyprus as much if not more than GCs.

If Tpap wins then that will seal partition if not then another go at the Annan Plan.

Zan,

A "clean Partition" will never happen. That would be the "death nail" to Turkey's and the "TRNC's" EU ambitions in the future. I don't think Turkey is in the business of committing a "political suicide" by having the "TRNC" getting a "clean" partition. That's why the AP was created to take it's place. the GC's saw it and said OXI, OXI, OXI. As Nikitas said very clearly, what Turkey wants it's the dissolvement of the RoC through any Annan Plan type of BBF. If Turkey and the TC's are serious about a True Federation, than the GC's might just go for it over a Unity Government, but I can assure you, the GC's would rather give the TC's and Turkey the 18% of land and say goodbye to us forever, than get stuck with a BBF Turkey style. No way that TURKEY is ever going to take off the ground Zan no matter what language or threats anyone wants to use to solve the Cyprus Problem.

You use your "RoC" vote to get Tpap in and we shall see what happens Kikapu...Let the next person show the same attitude and we shall see Kikapu. There can be no other form of government without the dissolving of he "RoC" and that is why I keep telling you that if Tpap gets in then partition is sealed with or without GC approval.

I don't think it's going to make one bit of difference to what I said Zan, no matter who is elected as the next President of the RoC. Turkey and the "TRNC" does not want a "clean break" for Partition. They would like to have a BBF or Annan Plan kind of a Partition.

There is a huge difference between the two types.

[zan]

Two states, so where is the BBF everyone was touting all these years? A federal state is ONE state, with one legal personality and one sovereignty.

This two state deal, read in conjunction with Gul's past statements for ending GC sovereignty sounds more like partition. So why not call it that from the outset and leave the nonsense aside!

THe more said about this the more it looks like another impasse is in the offing. Turkey is good at pretending that it is not interested in the legal details, yet it is just as good as using those details to its own ends. Inorder to start the federation on the basis of two states the RoC would have to be dissolved, which would rob it of the legal advantages of continuity as a nation. Whoever agrees to this is a traitor to ALL Cypriots. TCs benefit from the continuity of the legal personality of Cyprus as much if not more than GCs.

If Tpap wins then that will seal partition if not then another go at the Annan Plan.

Zan,

A "clean Partition" will never happen. That would be the "death nail" to Turkey's and the "TRNC's" EU ambitions in the future. I don't think Turkey is in the business of committing a "political suicide" by having the "TRNC" getting a "clean" partition. That's why the AP was created to take it's place. the GC's saw it and said OXI, OXI, OXI. As Nikitas said very clearly, what Turkey wants it's the dissolvement of the RoC through any Annan Plan type of BBF. If Turkey and the TC's are serious about a True Federation, than the GC's might just go for it over a Unity Government, but I can assure you, the GC's would rather give the TC's and Turkey the 18% of land and say goodbye to us forever, than get stuck with a BBF Turkey style. No way that TURKEY is ever going to take off the ground Zan no matter what language or threats anyone wants to use to solve the Cyprus Problem.

You use your "RoC" vote to get Tpap in and we shall see what happens Kikapu...Let the next person show the same attitude and we shall see Kikapu. There can be no other form of government without the dissolving of he "RoC" and that is why I keep telling you that if Tpap gets in then partition is sealed with or without GC approval.

I don't think it's going to make one bit of difference to what I said Zan, no matter who is elected as the next President of the RoC. Turkey and the "TRNC" does not want a "clean break" for Partition. They would like to have a BBF or Annan Plan kind of a Partition.

There is a huge difference between the two types.

When there is an option then they will take it...You are giving them no option....

[Nikitas]

The legal personality of the RoC is interpreted by GCs as a survival tool. There is no way in the world it will be given up. This is the cornerstone in the minds of all politicians on the GC side and all people who have secondary education and up.

Dissolving the RoC puts in jeopardy everything and it also opens the danger of enforced union with Greece and I am surprises that people like Zan cannot see this. If the RoC is dissolved and some dispute or disagreement arises in the future the only refuge the GCs would have is Greece. So dissolving the RoC might sound like a good idea to those that see it as a symbol of their past misfortune, but it is also a defence against the disappearance of Cyprus as a nation state.

Hard as some try to portray RoC as a branch office of Greece, it is not. And the same posters might like to learn that there are people in Greece who think as they do, that the RoC should be dissolved "because Cypriots do not need their own state". If there is anything worse than union with one then that must be double union.

[halil]

Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer has said that the Greek Cypriot Side will have to answer to the European Union if a deadlock arises in the new talk’s process to be launched following the ‘Presidential’ elections in South Cyprus next month.

The Prime Minister evaluated the latest developments on the Cyprus Problem to a television program on Turkish state television last night.
Stating that Turkey’s and the Turkish Cypriot Side’s policy on the Cyprus Problem aimed a creating a bi-zonal partnership based on the political equality of the two peoples and two states, the Prime Minister said that this policy will be reiterated by the Turkish President Gul throughout his ongoing contacts in the United States.

Pointing out that the European Union shared the same expectation as the Turkish Cypriot Side for a solution to be found to the Cyprus Problem on the basis of political equality following the elections on the Greek Cypriot Side, Soyer said that the Turkish Cypriot Side will focus all its efforts in the new period on achieving a political settlement.

“The Greek Cypriot Side should be the one to answer to the European Union if a deadlock is experienced in efforts to find a solution to the Cyprus Problem after next months elections in South Cyprus” he added.