Umit07,
umit07 wrote: Kikapu
A question for you, if Turkey dictates everything to us and for this reason you are saying its no use to even talk with Talat, then why have past GC presidents always talked with Denktas? Why is it now that you have woken up?
First of all, by saying "you have woken up", implies that I'm the RoC Government or a GC, which I'm neither, so that that's cleared out of the way, so let me give you my understanding of the situation as a TC.
After the 1974 Invasion, I believe it was only logical to talk with Denktash to try and find a "local solution" to the occupation. The RoC Government did not have any leverage against Turkey, other that legal rulings in her favour by the UN, and since Turkey chose to ignore them since 1974 to present, trying to make a deal with Denktash was perhaps the only option. Since we now know, that Denktash was "in bed" with Turkey and really was not going to lift a finger to find a solution, that was not going to leave most of the present land in the hands of the TC's without any return of the GC's back to their homes. Some say, that a deal was almost reached with Makarios, but died ( bad timing
) before the papers could be signed. I leave that for the conspirators to sort out. Anyway, from 1974 until Tassos Papadopoulos came to power in 2003, there had been 5 other RoC President who had dealt with Denktash and no peace was reached. Here are the five previous Presidents;
Glafkos Klerides (1974) Acting President
Archbishop Makarios (1974-1977)
Spyros Kyprianou (1977-1988)
George Vasiliou (1988-1993)
Glafkos Klerides (1993-2003)
Tassos Papadopoulos (2003-present day)
Now, call me a sceptic, but were all 5 RoC Presidents before Tassos Papadopoulos not willing to find a solution with Denktash, or perhaps Denktash was also not willing to find a solution with the RoC, based on the fact that he was directed by Ankara. This reminds me of a lady I know in the States who has been married and divorced 5 times claiming all her former husbands were bad, which were the reason why the marriages did not last. She never took any blame of course. I hope you have gotten my point on the similarities.
When Papadopoulos became the new President in 2003, it was no longer business as usual in dealing with the Turkish Occupation or even dealing with Denktash followed by Talat. What was to happened next, is what in fact is the only event that has put Cyprus problem on a New Course, from the one that was envisaged in 1974 and the division that followed to become permanent. That was the acceptance of the RoC into the EU. For the first time since 1974, the RoC had been given a "big stick" to take on Turkey. She now had something that Turkey did not have, but desperately wants, the EU Membership. So from then on, there was no need to deal with the "local" TC leaders, who did not posses any significant power to negotiate anyway, so why waste time. Talk with Turkey, who can make changes in Cyprus, if they wanted to. So, this is my best understanding as to why Talat is mostly sidelined.
If you ask a GC what the entire problem is about, he would tell you it is "the occupation of our lands by the Turkish army".
If you asked a TC he'd say "It's the problem of the GC's not wanting to share the governing power they had stripped from us since 1964"
Quiet clearly, it is both. But if the RoC asks the TC's to come back to the 1960 Constitution Government and dismantle the "TRNC", they will not come, so at that point, the Turkish Occupation becomes the real focus.
What Tpap is trying to do is put his back against the EU and try to lure Turkey into the arena to make the problem seem like it's only between them and Turkey, and the problem being the withdrawal of Turkish troops form the North.
You guys don't get it but the only weapon you got is blackmailing Turkey with the EU card. Once all the harmonisation process is over and the EU still doesn't want them, ( which is what will happen in the end) then you will be at square one again.
The problem as far as the occupation goes, is between Turkey and the RoC. "Local Politics" are between the TC's and the GC's. But as long as the Occupation and the "TRNC" continues to be there, there will not be a "local political solution".
You can call it what you want, but the "weapon" you talked about in the hands of the RoC, is a pretty powerful one, just as the "weapon" the Turkish Military Force had back in 1974 to divide the island, regardless what ever the reasons were or justifications can be made to achieve it. I'm just giving you who had the "weapon" back then and who has the "weapon" now.
Turkey may or may not be allowed to enter the EU membership, which the RoC can make a difference one way or the other. The question is, is Turkey willing to keep her 70+ million citizens out of the EU she had been pursuing for the last few decades on account of keeping 37% of Cyprus. Most TC's seem to believe, Turkey will not choose EU over the 37%. I say, the first chance Turkey gets to enter EU with the blessing of the RoC, Turkey will drop the 37% like it was a "bad habit". If Turkey does not get into the EU after so many more years, then the situation will remain as is without recognition to the "TRNC" while the RoC continues to prosper with each passing day.
If Turkey never gets in with or without RoC's doing, then at that point I cannot predict what will become of the "TRNC" in 20 years or so, other than say, welcome to "little Turkey" because there won't be anything that will resemble what TC Cyprus was anymore, since it will be over ran by the Turks politically as well as socially. You will not be able to tell the difference from any other place in Turkey, and the fate of the indigenous TC population will disappear like other groups from past history, and the GC will take pleasure knowing that, Turkey and the "TRNC" has been kept out of the EU Club, despite losing 37% of the island, until the "swing of Power" that Piratis is predicting to kick the Turks of the island in some distant future. Future does not have any limitations, so Piratis may well be correct. You only have to look at the past 3500 years of Cyprus history, to know that the future can and will repeat history all over again.
I hope I have answered your questions Umit07.
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