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Postby zan » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:14 pm

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zan wrote:Because they like to know the real world and not the world you live in which you are lied to by the MAN and you swallow it hook line and sinker. Are all Americans this dumb or does this guy stick out from the crowd. Give him a word and he is happy....whether it is "Haram" or "Democracy" he wets himself with joy but has no idea that it exists in name only all over the world. What part of democracy says that the USA can attack a country with a star and crescent against the wishes of the international community, and create the conditions you describe above so that fools like you can sit in your high chair and scoff. Here is another word for you mate..."B*****ks"...Something that you do not possess.... :lol:


So basically Zan, you cannot answer the question put to you. Instead you gave me a bunch of Double Talk about nothing, which may also be another attribute to countries with the Crescents & Stars are good at giving, a Double Talk.!


What I am trying to do is expand your mind and help you to think for yourself instead of following the brainwashed ideas that the USA have instilled into you. The world is a big place and whilst your democratic gangsters are ruling your every move and you are saying thank you to them, you will always think the way you do in thinking that there is good and bad in the world as to nations and what symbol they live under. I could always be wasting my breath though because it seems that the system has done its job on you and you are complete....A complete idiot!!!! :lol:


Just for the record Zan, as well as being an American, I'm also British and a Cypriot.

What the hell are you talking about.?? What does America has to do with regarding my observation about nations who have the Crescent & Star on their flags as well as many other Muslim and Islamic countries whose flags do not have the Crescent & Star all seem to have these "values", which I repeat again, are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and mostly ruled by strong Military influence.

If you do not know the answer, it's OK Zan, but don't tell us a story of American brainwashing. You are also British and the UK also followed the US into an illegal war in Iraq, therefore, were you also brainwashed by Blair.? Personally, I have been against that war before it started.

You seem to take exception to me raising this issue, because Turkey and the "trnc" both having Crescents & Stars in their flags and you do not want to face the truth, that what I wrote is practiced by these two as well as almost all the other Muslim countries. I'm just stating a fact, but you want to talk about Brainwashing, as if I'm the only one who sees this, that the common denominator for all nations with such flags seems to have these characteristics, which are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and mostly ruled by strong Military influence..


Whether you were against the war or not does not matter...Another statement by you showing you are living in your own small world....

I will tell you what I said in simple terms as you are having difficulty understanding them.......A democratic country does not use terror or unscrupulous ways of interrogating people. Only gangsters do that. Perhaps you should get off that boat of yours every now and again and visit these countries to see what they are really like......Oh I forgot....You did.....Then we got your lying story of the "RoC"..hehehehehehe. The American way or the British way or your Greek way is not the only way in this world. We are all under some sort of oppression where ever we are and it is getting harder by the minute in Europe also. Just because the army hasn't come out to oppress us in person doesn't mean that they will not when we have had enough and revolt. Hope that is not too much for you to think about... :lol: :lol:


OK Zan, I got it. Just come out and say it, that you actually approve nations who are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and ruled by strong Military influence. You have just described your idol Denktash. As they say, "an apple does not fall too far from the tree".!


Do you believe all this crap that you write :roll: :roll: Denktas is not my idol because I have no idols....I believe he probably did the best he could for the times and somethings that I would not agree with...The point is that this is the way of the world....Everything I said in this thread is about the way of the world but you seem to have trouble understanding it.
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Postby zan » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:15 pm

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Kikapu wrote:By the way Zan, since you are not going to continue telling us about your Cyprus trip, can you please tell me what is the situation with your Military Service as it stands right now. This is just information needed and not meant to argue about it. Thanks.



I got my exit permit in 2000 and I used it this time without any problem. As far as I know I can come and go when I like as long as it is for no more than 60 days. I will be 49 next year and intend to pay my £3000 over to help the country and pay my dues.


Got it.........thanks.!


You might think you have but cannot be absolutely sure can you.......I think we both know what I am talking about.... :roll:
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Re: "Star & Crescent"....!

Postby miltiades » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:15 pm

Kikapu wrote:Image
"Star & Crescent"

Why is it, that almost of all Muslim (a.k.a Islamic) countries whose flags have a Star & Crescent are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and mostly ruled by strong Military influence.?

You missed out ILLETERACY !!
Take Pakistan as an example , 46% illiterates , no wonder they have voted in a President who spent 10 years in prison for corruptions.
Let us however just list the LITTERACY RATES of some nations starting with Cyprus , remember these are literacy rates .
CYPRUS 97%
GREECE 91%
TURKEY 88.3%
Here you have it CYPRUS Way ahead.

Lets look at some other countries .
Saudi Arabia 78% - Iran 77% - 79.6% - Yemen ( females only ) 28.5%
Algeria 69.9% , ans so on and so on , the more illiterate the more undemocratic !!
Just take a look at a couple of Yemeni girls out and about , well not quite out but certainly about , remember than 71% of Yemeni women are illiterate !!
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Re: "Star & Crescent"....!

Postby zan » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:20 pm

miltiades wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Image
"Star & Crescent"

Why is it, that almost of all Muslim (a.k.a Islamic) countries whose flags have a Star & Crescent are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and mostly ruled by strong Military influence.?

You missed out ILLETERACY !!
Take Pakistan as an example , 46% illiterates , no wonder they have voted in a President who spent 10 years in prison for corruptions.
Let us however just list the LITTERACY RATES of some nations starting with Cyprus , remember these are literacy rates .
CYPRUS 97%
GREECE 91%
TURKEY 88.3%
Here you have it CYPRUS Way ahead.

Lets look at some other countries .
Saudi Arabia 78% - Iran 77% - 79.6% - Yemen ( females only ) 28.5%
Algeria 69.9% , ans so on and so on , the more illiterate the more undemocratic !!
Just take a look at a couple of Yemeni girls out and about , well not quite out but certainly about , remember than 71% of Yemeni women are illiterate !!
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And what part of the literate GCs decided that EOKA and ENOSIS were a good thing given the conditions at the time...... :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol:
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:20 pm

zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:By the way Zan, since you are not going to continue telling us about your Cyprus trip, can you please tell me what is the situation with your Military Service as it stands right now. This is just information needed and not meant to argue about it. Thanks.



I got my exit permit in 2000 and I used it this time without any problem. As far as I know I can come and go when I like as long as it is for no more than 60 days. I will be 49 next year and intend to pay my £3000 over to help the country and pay my dues.


Got it.........thanks.!


You might think you have but cannot be absolutely sure can you.......I think we both know what I am talking about.... :roll:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

What did I miss Zan, and NO, I don't know what you are talking about.!
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Postby miltiades » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:21 pm

Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:Because they like to know the real world and not the world you live in which you are lied to by the MAN and you swallow it hook line and sinker. Are all Americans this dumb or does this guy stick out from the crowd. Give him a word and he is happy....whether it is "Haram" or "Democracy" he wets himself with joy but has no idea that it exists in name only all over the world. What part of democracy says that the USA can attack a country with a star and crescent against the wishes of the international community, and create the conditions you describe above so that fools like you can sit in your high chair and scoff. Here is another word for you mate..."B*****ks"...Something that you do not possess.... :lol:


So basically Zan, you cannot answer the question put to you. Instead you gave me a bunch of Double Talk about nothing, which may also be another attribute to countries with the Crescents & Stars are good at giving, a Double Talk.!


What I am trying to do is expand your mind and help you to think for yourself instead of following the brainwashed ideas that the USA have instilled into you. The world is a big place and whilst your democratic gangsters are ruling your every move and you are saying thank you to them, you will always think the way you do in thinking that there is good and bad in the world as to nations and what symbol they live under. I could always be wasting my breath though because it seems that the system has done its job on you and you are complete....A complete idiot!!!! :lol:


Just for the record Zan, as well as being an American, I'm also British and a Cypriot.

What the hell are you talking about.?? What does America has to do with regarding my observation about nations who have the Crescent & Star on their flags as well as many other Muslim and Islamic countries whose flags do not have the Crescent & Star all seem to have these "values", which I repeat again, are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and mostly ruled by strong Military influence.

If you do not know the answer, it's OK Zan, but don't tell us a story of American brainwashing. You are also British and the UK also followed the US into an illegal war in Iraq, therefore, were you also brainwashed by Blair.? Personally, I have been against that war before it started.

You seem to take exception to me raising this issue, because Turkey and the "trnc" both having Crescents & Stars in their flags and you do not want to face the truth, that what I wrote is practiced by these two as well as almost all the other Muslim countries. I'm just stating a fact, but you want to talk about Brainwashing, as if I'm the only one who sees this, that the common denominator for all nations with such flags seems to have these characteristics, which are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and mostly ruled by strong Military influence..


Whether you were against the war or not does not matter...Another statement by you showing you are living in your own small world....

I will tell you what I said in simple terms as you are having difficulty understanding them.......A democratic country does not use terror or unscrupulous ways of interrogating people. Only gangsters do that. Perhaps you should get off that boat of yours every now and again and visit these countries to see what they are really like......Oh I forgot....You did.....Then we got your lying story of the "RoC"..hehehehehehe. The American way or the British way or your Greek way is not the only way in this world. We are all under some sort of oppression where ever we are and it is getting harder by the minute in Europe also. Just because the army hasn't come out to oppress us in person doesn't mean that they will not when we have had enough and revolt. Hope that is not too much for you to think about... :lol: :lol:


OK Zan, I got it. Just come out and say it, that you actually approve nations who are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and ruled by strong Military influence. You have just described your idol Denktash. As they say, "an apple does not fall too far from the tree".!

Kikapu you obviously missed the statement that Zan made some time ago about HIS new modern world !!! He meant Turkey , I see he still in the West , I think he should be amongst those that he so admires , the undemocratic dictators , theocratic despots , nationalistic bullshitters !!
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Postby CopperLine » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:22 pm

Kikapu,
It is not accidental that many of those states which were once secular, in which democratic forces were trying to grow, had the misfortune of being crushed by political forces supported by the west. If you look at the nascent democratic, socialist and secular movements which arose in the middle east in the 1960s and 1970s were ALL crushed by anti-democratic, authoritarian, often military, governments supported by the west (and occasionally by the Soviet Union). In some cases fundamentalist Islamic states were supported from the outset eg Saudi Arabia, at other times fundementalist Islamic governments were the direct result of the massacres of democrats, socialists and trade unionists eg Iran. Turkey nearly fell into that last group and is still struggling with the twin legacy of military rule and Islamism.
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Postby zan » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:25 pm

miltiades wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:Because they like to know the real world and not the world you live in which you are lied to by the MAN and you swallow it hook line and sinker. Are all Americans this dumb or does this guy stick out from the crowd. Give him a word and he is happy....whether it is "Haram" or "Democracy" he wets himself with joy but has no idea that it exists in name only all over the world. What part of democracy says that the USA can attack a country with a star and crescent against the wishes of the international community, and create the conditions you describe above so that fools like you can sit in your high chair and scoff. Here is another word for you mate..."B*****ks"...Something that you do not possess.... :lol:


So basically Zan, you cannot answer the question put to you. Instead you gave me a bunch of Double Talk about nothing, which may also be another attribute to countries with the Crescents & Stars are good at giving, a Double Talk.!


What I am trying to do is expand your mind and help you to think for yourself instead of following the brainwashed ideas that the USA have instilled into you. The world is a big place and whilst your democratic gangsters are ruling your every move and you are saying thank you to them, you will always think the way you do in thinking that there is good and bad in the world as to nations and what symbol they live under. I could always be wasting my breath though because it seems that the system has done its job on you and you are complete....A complete idiot!!!! :lol:


Just for the record Zan, as well as being an American, I'm also British and a Cypriot.

What the hell are you talking about.?? What does America has to do with regarding my observation about nations who have the Crescent & Star on their flags as well as many other Muslim and Islamic countries whose flags do not have the Crescent & Star all seem to have these "values", which I repeat again, are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and mostly ruled by strong Military influence.

If you do not know the answer, it's OK Zan, but don't tell us a story of American brainwashing. You are also British and the UK also followed the US into an illegal war in Iraq, therefore, were you also brainwashed by Blair.? Personally, I have been against that war before it started.

You seem to take exception to me raising this issue, because Turkey and the "trnc" both having Crescents & Stars in their flags and you do not want to face the truth, that what I wrote is practiced by these two as well as almost all the other Muslim countries. I'm just stating a fact, but you want to talk about Brainwashing, as if I'm the only one who sees this, that the common denominator for all nations with such flags seems to have these characteristics, which are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and mostly ruled by strong Military influence..


Whether you were against the war or not does not matter...Another statement by you showing you are living in your own small world....

I will tell you what I said in simple terms as you are having difficulty understanding them.......A democratic country does not use terror or unscrupulous ways of interrogating people. Only gangsters do that. Perhaps you should get off that boat of yours every now and again and visit these countries to see what they are really like......Oh I forgot....You did.....Then we got your lying story of the "RoC"..hehehehehehe. The American way or the British way or your Greek way is not the only way in this world. We are all under some sort of oppression where ever we are and it is getting harder by the minute in Europe also. Just because the army hasn't come out to oppress us in person doesn't mean that they will not when we have had enough and revolt. Hope that is not too much for you to think about... :lol: :lol:


OK Zan, I got it. Just come out and say it, that you actually approve nations who are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and ruled by strong Military influence. You have just described your idol Denktash. As they say, "an apple does not fall too far from the tree".!

Kikapu you obviously missed the statement that Zan made some time ago about HIS new modern world !!! He meant Turkey , I see he still in the West , I think he should be amongst those that he so admires , the undemocratic dictators , theocratic despots , nationalistic bullshitters !!


Is this an inviattion to your home Miltiades....Sorry...I think I am washing my hair that evening.....

Can you please post the thread in which I said that and at which point you twisted my words....Thanks old man!!!
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Postby zan » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:27 pm

CopperLine wrote:Kikapu,
It is not accidental that many of those states which were once secular, in which democratic forces were trying to grow, had the misfortune of being crushed by political forces supported by the west. If you look at the nascent democratic, socialist and secular movements which arose in the middle east in the 1960s and 1970s were ALL crushed by anti-democratic, authoritarian, often military, governments supported by the west (and occasionally by the Soviet Union). In some cases fundamentalist Islamic states were supported from the outset eg Saudi Arabia, at other times fundementalist Islamic governments were the direct result of the massacres of democrats, socialists and trade unionists eg Iran. Turkey nearly fell into that last group and is still struggling with the twin legacy of military rule and Islamism.


Bingo......I was trying to help hm come to terms with these facts Copperline but I suppose I was fighting a losing battle... :lol: :lol:
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Re: "Star & Crescent"....!

Postby zan » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:37 pm

miltiades wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Image
"Star & Crescent"

Why is it, that almost of all Muslim (a.k.a Islamic) countries whose flags have a Star & Crescent are anti True Democracy, anti Freedom of Speech, anti Free Press, anti Human Rights, Corrupt, Undeveloped and Poor, and mostly ruled by strong Military influence.?

You missed out ILLETERACY !!
Take Pakistan as an example , 46% illiterates , no wonder they have voted in a President who spent 10 years in prison for corruptions.
Let us however just list the LITTERACY RATES of some nations starting with Cyprus , remember these are literacy rates .
CYPRUS 97%
GREECE 91%
TURKEY 88.3%
Here you have it CYPRUS Way ahead.

Lets look at some other countries .
Saudi Arabia 78% - Iran 77% - 79.6% - Yemen ( females only ) 28.5%
Algeria 69.9% , ans so on and so on , the more illiterate the more undemocratic !!
Just take a look at a couple of Yemeni girls out and about , well not quite out but certainly about , remember than 71% of Yemeni women are illiterate !!
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