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[insan]

The fact is that Turkey signed up to a ceasefire after the 1st invasion.

Turkey was making demands to effectively scrap the RoC and to enter a new state of affairs based on a federal state.

True.

All the while these negotiations were going on, Turkey was violating the ceasefire and finally put an ultimatum to Clerides to accept Turkish terms or else Turkey will proceed to a full invasion.
Many TC's say that the reason for the 2nd invasion was that TC's were being murdered by GC's. In fact when the 2nd operation started, that is when GC's started attacking TC's.

The irregular fascist bands were sleeping in their caves while Turkey ""violating" the ceasefire, eh? What provoking speeches were being made by Sampson between the dates 27th of July and August 15th. Many TCs had been killed, tortured and still were under attack risk of GC fascists before the second phase of the intervention launched by Turkey. Who could trust those fascist violators. Moreover, those fascists were still under command of fascist Sampson and Greek officers.

In any case, can you guys honestly defend the actions of Turkey, which killed thousands of people, was raping and pillaging en masse, put many GC's in mass graves that to this day your protectors refuse to divulge their true locations (many of which lie in designated military zones - I wonder why?)You can put blame on GC's all you like, but the facts on the ground speak volumes and the pathetic attempts of coopoeration of the Turks in establishing the fate of the missing speak even louder

You are confusing the ones who lost their lives in the combat when defending the Greek invasion of fascist coupists and allegations based upon Hellenic propaganda in order to erase the guilt of massacres committed by Hellenic fascists. There's no concrete evidence that prove the Turks or TCs committed such massacres that Hellenic fascists committed. how many GC villages annihilated with its total inhabitants by Turks or TCs? Denktash several times admitted that other than those GCs and Greeks who lost their lives during the combat against Turks and TC in order to defend the coupists and Greek invaders; some GC captives whom Turkey handed over to TMT, massacred by for revenge taking. I'm sure they weren't "some" as Denktash said and the ex-TMT members who know their mass graves don't tell. I'm not trying to justify any inhumane actions or crimes of any side but we should learn to examine the events in a cause, circumstances, consequences triangle.

[-mikkie2-]

There's no concrete evidence that prove the Turks or TCs committed such massacres that Hellenic fascists committed.

Insan,

So you are denying that mass repes occurred? The evidence of a massive increase in abortions in the free areas a few months after the invasion is not evidence enough for you?

You call innocent civilians that were murdered in Kerynia by Turkish troops as combatants?

The fact is Insan is that Turkey has hidden away the crimes it has committed in Cyprus. It refused to allow the UN to proper access to the occupied areas so they have made it impossible to verify what had happened. You are simply hiding behind all this. Just like Turkey is tring to hide at the moment BY REFUSING TO PROPERLY COOPERATE TO FIND OUT THE FATE OF THE MISSING.

Many TCs had been killed, tortured and still were under attack risk of GC fascists before the second phase of the intervention launched by Turkey.

How many exactly Insan?

So the 'risk of attack' was ample reason to keep breaking the ceasefire was it? Doesn't it cross your mind that repeated violations of this ceasefire could actually inflame feelings even more and cause revenge attacks?

[insan]

Insan,

So you are denying that mass repes occurred? The evidence of a massive increase in abortions in the free areas a few months after the invasion is not evidence enough for you?

Are you the eye witness of those so-called increased abortions or you have the documents of them. Or is it how your leadership presented you the events in order to erase their guilt, keep themselves in power and make you believe that Turkey and TCs are the only ones to blame about the events of 1974.

You call innocent civilians that were murdered in Kerynia by Turkish troops as combatants?

Please visit hellas.org and read there how the civilians took whatever fire arms they have and shot the Turkish parachuters dead when they were landing. What would you do if a civilian held whatever fire arm he/she had towards to you. Bring him/her flowers?

The fact is Insan is that Turkey has hidden away the crimes it has committed in Cyprus. It refused to allow the UN to proper access to the occupied areas so they have made it impossible to verify what had happened. You are simply hiding behind all this. Just like Turkey is tring to hide at the moment BY REFUSING TO PROPERLY COOPERATE TO FIND OUT THE FATE OF THE MISSING.

Both ECHR and United Nations well examined the situtaion under those years circumstances and suggested the facts and their convictions regarding the issue. It is a fact that there are G/GC soldiers who lost their lives during the coup, during the combat while defending coupists and Greek invasion and besides many intentionally were killed by TMT and perhaps some others. Under the circumstances of those years in order not to give any propaganda material to Hellenic side and protect the responsibles of the criminal actions; while Turkey was hiding the number of G/GC soldiers, civillians have been killed in the combat and G/GC captives have been massacred by TMT ; Hellenic side too was behaving in the same manner. Plus, many important documents that would wash the events of pre-74 dirt linen in public; pigeonholed because otherwise, both the governments of Greece and Cyprus would collapse.

I'm also not denying the fact that Turkish side violated the 3rd Vienna Agreement. Yes, they did and in my opinion this is their biggest fault and crime. If they had implemented the provisions of 3rd Vienna Agreement, the following developments for Cyprus issue might have been much better and positive to both parties.

How many exactly Insan?

So the 'risk of attack' was ample reason to keep breaking the ceasefire was it? Doesn't it cross your mind that repeated violations of this ceasefire could actually inflame feelings even more and cause revenge attacks?

It wasn't only the risk of attack, mikkie. Those irregular bands under command of Sampson and Greek officers still were firing to Turkish troops and Sampson were making provocative speeches. I don't know how many TCs were killed, tortured; maybe 60, maybe 150. Is the number important? Could be thousands while they had such fascist, merciless commanders like Sampson and mostly the thugs comprise of EOKA_B members.

[-mikkie2-]

Please visit hellas.org and read there how the civilians took whatever fire arms they have and shot the Turkish parachuters dead when they were landing. What would you do if a civilian held whatever fire arm he/she had towards to you. Bring him/her flowers?

Well they were raping women! Is that a fair enough exchange for you? Most civilians were fleeing the Turks. Those that could fight stayed and faught. What do you expect them to do? But you are sitting here trying to belittle what the Greeks went through in defending themselves. The fact is that Turkey created mass graves and they continue to hoodwink the UN about them. Why? Why? Why? I WILL NOT SAY ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT THE TURKS UNTIL THEY COME CLEAN ABOUT WHAT THEY DID.