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[halil]

Didn't Markarios say that it was the GC desire for ENOSIS that was the root of all these problems? I'd like to thank those GC's who stuck up for the TC's of Lefkara when they were forced out in 1964 because Mainland Greek solidiers turned up and were screaming for blood. Some of those GC were punished later and all under the guise of the UN. I am a Turkish Cypriot, not from Turkey, but some on this forum blame my own community for all the problems. Most people on this forum were not on Cyprus when the Shit was hitting the fan. They are relying on propaganda from books, films and other media. The Turkish Cypriots are going no where.

Medman ,
here is the picture of the cemetery from Upper Lefkara .

İn this place people are living .......... Cemetery has been damaged and vandalised . What is excuse for this one .

[Oracle]

Sadly, I am not impressed with the quality of halil's photography. The poor quality of what they aim to depict, competes with his poor English to the point where the whole presentation begs an invitation to imaginative invention!

In other words ..... perfect propaganda!

[T_C]

What an imperfect excuse...

[Oracle]

What an imperfect excuse...

Having also seen the "quality" of your photography (on the Art thread), we may have to err on the side of accepting this as yet another inherent "TC" disability ....

[denizaksulu]

The only thing that happened to some of those places is that they were abandoned by you because you wanted to steal our land in north Cyprus and go live there instead. Still, all the major Muslim monuments have been preserved in the Republic of Cyprus.

Compare this with what Turks have done in the occupied areas:

They forced the native Cypriot population to leave from their towns and villages and then they intentionally destroyed almost everything Greek and Christian they could find, changed the names of our towns and villages to Turkish ones and they did and continue to do everything possible to erase from north Cyprus everything that proves that this part of Cyprus, like every other, is the homeland of Greek Cypriots for 1000s of years.

Yet another case where the Turks commit the crime, and then they come to blame us! Like when they invaded Cyprus multiple times, killing 1000s of Cypriots, and then they come here to complain because some 100s of their kind have also been killed in the conflicts which they started against us!

Piratis. Halil is posting these peictures to show that Turkish mosques have also been vandalised to show those in denial that such things never happened.

In August I had made reference to the mosque in our village and also published a photo of the site. The mosque was pulled down stone by stone by the villagers as soon as the Turkish residents were forced to leave. The mosque and the half finished minaret were made from cut stone, so the argument that they might have been weathered down - like mud brick houses- is a total fallacy.

The looting of sacred places, ransacking and destruction of these places of worship is abhorable, whether done to Turkish or Greek sites. Everyone should condemn these acts. Somehow some even are in denial that these have happened.

Be brave Piratis. Admit, that it happened as I do. You will feel much better, I am sure.

Below is the link where I posted my photograph of my village. Its on page 4 (I think). It was in Zans thread Cyprus 2008.


http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30

[Piratis]

denizaksulu, here we are talking about churches of many centuries old with very significant cultural value which the Turks have looted and sold their valuable items abroad. And you compare that with some half finished minaret?

The Turks are well known for trying to destroy the culture of others and impose their own. Ayia Sofia in Constantinople is the greatest example. They have done the same in Cyprus during the Ottoman times. In fact most of the historically significant mosques in Cyprus where originally churches which the Ottomans turned into mosques, like the "Lala Mustafa Pasha Mosque" which was originally the Saint Nicolas Cathedral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lala_Mustafa_Pasha_Mosque

The Hala Sultan Tekke which is the most important mosque in Cyprus is maintained constantly by the Republic of Cyprus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hala_Sultan_Tekke

Sorry that after you invaded Cyprus and made 200.000 people refugees our efforts was to rehouse those people and re-create our destroyed country, and we did not allocate money to maintain every minaret. What is certain is that the government of Cyprus did not intentionally destroy anything, and if it was not for your insistence on partition, you could have remained to your own villages (instead of stealing our own) and maintain your minarets and everything.

Partition was your dream since the 50s, so how can you complain about the results of your illegalities and criminal actions?

[denizaksulu]

denizaksulu, here we are talking about churches of many centuries old with very significant cultural value which the Turks have looted and sold their valuable items abroad. And you compare that with some half finished minaret?

The Turks are well known for trying to destroy the culture of others and impose their own. Ayia Sofia in Constantinople is the greatest example. They have done the same in Cyprus during the Ottoman times. In fact most of the historically significant mosques in Cyprus where originally churches which the Ottomans turned into mosques, like the "Lala Mustafa Pasha Mosque" which was originally the Saint Nicolas Cathedral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lala_Mustafa_Pasha_Mosque

The Hala Sultan Tekke which is the most important mosque in Cyprus is maintained constantly by the Republic of Cyprus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hala_Sultan_Tekke

Sorry that after you invaded Cyprus and made 200.000 people refugees our efforts was to rehouse those people and re-create our destroyed country, and we did not allocate money to maintain every minaret. What is certain is that the government of Cyprus did not intentionally destroy anything, and if it was not for your insistence on partition, you could have remained to your own villages (instead of stealing our own) and maintain your minarets and everything.

Partition was your dream since the 50s, so how can you complain about the results of your illegalities and criminal actions?

Piratis, I am sometimes surprised by you. Does it matter whether churches are old or new? Its enough that these dastardly acts are done. You are a coward for not admitting any wrong doing by GCs against t TC properties. What a shame that I have to tell you this.

[Oracle]

denizaksulu, here we are talking about churches of many centuries old with very significant cultural value which the Turks have looted and sold their valuable items abroad. And you compare that with some half finished minaret?

The Turks are well known for trying to destroy the culture of others and impose their own. Ayia Sofia in Constantinople is the greatest example. They have done the same in Cyprus during the Ottoman times. In fact most of the historically significant mosques in Cyprus where originally churches which the Ottomans turned into mosques, like the "Lala Mustafa Pasha Mosque" which was originally the Saint Nicolas Cathedral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lala_Mustafa_Pasha_Mosque

The Hala Sultan Tekke which is the most important mosque in Cyprus is maintained constantly by the Republic of Cyprus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hala_Sultan_Tekke

Sorry that after you invaded Cyprus and made 200.000 people refugees our efforts was to rehouse those people and re-create our destroyed country, and we did not allocate money to maintain every minaret. What is certain is that the government of Cyprus did not intentionally destroy anything, and if it was not for your insistence on partition, you could have remained to your own villages (instead of stealing our own) and maintain your minarets and everything.

Partition was your dream since the 50s, so how can you complain about the results of your illegalities and criminal actions?

Piratis, I am sometimes surprised by you. Does it matter whether churches are old or new? Its enough that these dastardly acts are done. You are a coward for not admitting any wrong doing by GCs against t TC properties. What a shame that I have to tell you this.

Deniz ... only a Turk could fail to appreciate history!

Even the British have Conservation Areas where pre-Victorian homes have to be treated with more consideration!

But the really pathetic take-home message today has been that halil has been be-moaning mosques supposedly ruined by GCs ... which used to be Churches that were barbarically converted to mosques by the incompetent invading Ottomans!

Bit like the Monastery that you claim was a Camel shelter built by the Ottomans, Deniz!

Shame on the Turks!

[denizaksulu]

denizaksulu, here we are talking about churches of many centuries old with very significant cultural value which the Turks have looted and sold their valuable items abroad. And you compare that with some half finished minaret?

The Turks are well known for trying to destroy the culture of others and impose their own. Ayia Sofia in Constantinople is the greatest example. They have done the same in Cyprus during the Ottoman times. In fact most of the historically significant mosques in Cyprus where originally churches which the Ottomans turned into mosques, like the "Lala Mustafa Pasha Mosque" which was originally the Saint Nicolas Cathedral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lala_Mustafa_Pasha_Mosque

The Hala Sultan Tekke which is the most important mosque in Cyprus is maintained constantly by the Republic of Cyprus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hala_Sultan_Tekke

Sorry that after you invaded Cyprus and made 200.000 people refugees our efforts was to rehouse those people and re-create our destroyed country, and we did not allocate money to maintain every minaret. What is certain is that the government of Cyprus did not intentionally destroy anything, and if it was not for your insistence on partition, you could have remained to your own villages (instead of stealing our own) and maintain your minarets and everything.

Partition was your dream since the 50s, so how can you complain about the results of your illegalities and criminal actions?

Piratis, I am sometimes surprised by you. Does it matter whether churches are old or new? Its enough that these dastardly acts are done. You are a coward for not admitting any wrong doing by GCs against t TC properties. What a shame that I have to tell you this.

Deniz ... only a Turk could fail to appreciate history!

Even the British have Conservation Areas where pre-Victorian homes have to be treated with more consideration!

Oracle, I also agree with you that what has happened is terrible. But when your friend tries to differentiate between old and new, I just dont see it. It is all sacrilage. By bringing in 'old age' he is simply condoning the desecration of moslem holy places on the grounds that they are 'new'. Come on now, you can see that.

[Oracle]

denizaksulu, here we are talking about churches of many centuries old with very significant cultural value which the Turks have looted and sold their valuable items abroad. And you compare that with some half finished minaret?

The Turks are well known for trying to destroy the culture of others and impose their own. Ayia Sofia in Constantinople is the greatest example. They have done the same in Cyprus during the Ottoman times. In fact most of the historically significant mosques in Cyprus where originally churches which the Ottomans turned into mosques, like the "Lala Mustafa Pasha Mosque" which was originally the Saint Nicolas Cathedral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lala_Mustafa_Pasha_Mosque

The Hala Sultan Tekke which is the most important mosque in Cyprus is maintained constantly by the Republic of Cyprus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hala_Sultan_Tekke

Sorry that after you invaded Cyprus and made 200.000 people refugees our efforts was to rehouse those people and re-create our destroyed country, and we did not allocate money to maintain every minaret. What is certain is that the government of Cyprus did not intentionally destroy anything, and if it was not for your insistence on partition, you could have remained to your own villages (instead of stealing our own) and maintain your minarets and everything.

Partition was your dream since the 50s, so how can you complain about the results of your illegalities and criminal actions?

Piratis, I am sometimes surprised by you. Does it matter whether churches are old or new? Its enough that these dastardly acts are done. You are a coward for not admitting any wrong doing by GCs against t TC properties. What a shame that I have to tell you this.

Deniz ... only a Turk could fail to appreciate history!

Even the British have Conservation Areas where pre-Victorian homes have to be treated with more consideration!

Oracle, I also agree with you that what has happened is terrible. But when your friend tries to differentiate between old and new, I just dont see it. It is all sacrilage. By bringing in 'old age' he is simply condoning the desecration of moslem holy places on the grounds that they are 'new'. Come on now, you can see that.

Piratis is well able to answer for himself ... but what I think you fail to appreciate is that those "Mosques" are "new" because they have been converted from what were old Orthodox Churches ...

As I have always maintained ... the Ottoman-Turks have brought nothing of any worth to Cyprus, merely stole an ongoing GC culture ....