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[denizaksulu]

Lefkara, glad you mentioned Lefkara Halil because I was there last year and stayed with people who are renting a house belonging to TCs.

This house, as all the adjoining house, were left behind by TCs and they seemed to be in good condition. Some are occupied, some are not, and those that are occupied are rented to the tenants, the TITLE remains in the name of the original owners and their descendants. So the charge that ALL TC villages and properties have been razed to the ground seems a little overdone. Obviously some were willfully destroyed, some neglected and some are being used.

I also went to the village of Mari, and the houses seem a little old and badly maintained, but they are still there. If one village would merit a demolition by fanatics that would be it.

And another point, none of the names of these villages have been changed officially or unofficially. If there was an organized drive to de-turkify the south then they would have employed the name changing tactic so popular in the north, along with the icon and antiquities trade that has become an international business.

Its all sickening Nikitas. Our gripe is that some GCs think they are whiter than white.
Above, the photos posted by Bafidis and Halil are also sickening. Those responsible ought to feel shame, whoever they are.

[Paphitis]

Lefkara, glad you mentioned Lefkara Halil because I was there last year and stayed with people who are renting a house belonging to TCs.

This house, as all the adjoining house, were left behind by TCs and they seemed to be in good condition. Some are occupied, some are not, and those that are occupied are rented to the tenants, the TITLE remains in the name of the original owners and their descendants. So the charge that ALL TC villages and properties have been razed to the ground seems a little overdone. Obviously some were willfully destroyed, some neglected and some are being used.

I also went to the village of Mari, and the houses seem a little old and badly maintained, but they are still there. If one village would merit a demolition by fanatics that would be it.

And another point, none of the names of these villages have been changed officially or unofficially. If there was an organized drive to de-turkify the south then they would have employed the name changing tactic so popular in the north, along with the icon and antiquities trade that has become an international business.

Its all sickening Nikitas. Our gripe is that some GCs think they are whiter than white.
Above, the photos posted by Bafidis and Halil are also sickening. Those responsible ought to feel shame, whoever they are.

I have dozens more photos of various churches in Occupied Cyprus.

If You and Halil want to see more, just let me know and I will be happy to oblige by starting another thread.

[denizaksulu]

Lefkara, glad you mentioned Lefkara Halil because I was there last year and stayed with people who are renting a house belonging to TCs.

This house, as all the adjoining house, were left behind by TCs and they seemed to be in good condition. Some are occupied, some are not, and those that are occupied are rented to the tenants, the TITLE remains in the name of the original owners and their descendants. So the charge that ALL TC villages and properties have been razed to the ground seems a little overdone. Obviously some were willfully destroyed, some neglected and some are being used.

I also went to the village of Mari, and the houses seem a little old and badly maintained, but they are still there. If one village would merit a demolition by fanatics that would be it.

And another point, none of the names of these villages have been changed officially or unofficially. If there was an organized drive to de-turkify the south then they would have employed the name changing tactic so popular in the north, along with the icon and antiquities trade that has become an international business.

Its all sickening Nikitas. Our gripe is that some GCs think they are whiter than white.
Above, the photos posted by Bafidis and Halil are also sickening. Those responsible ought to feel shame, whoever they are.

I have hundreds more photos of various churches in Occupied Cyprus.

If You and Halil what to see more, just let me know and I will be happy to oblige by starting another thread.

Thank you Bafidis. This is a free forum. We have seen a lot of these horrible photos. If you feel that it would add to understandings of the issue, who am I to prevent you.

Its all bloody sickening. (pardon my lingo)

[halil]

I am not saying that GC's churches or cemeteries not destroyed in Northern part of the Cyprus . Destroyed !!!!

Here is the some Turkish Cypriots mosques inside views .From outside buildings looks ok. but inside ................

[halil]

You are right Deniz they are all sickening !!!!!!!

somehow , I thought i will print them here that they can see that TC's heritages are also destroyed from this bloody times .... They should stop from moaning all the time ..... They should spend their time how we can have a solution in Cyprus .

They should question them , We keep saying north is under the equippation but south is not .... how these are happening in South ? How the world will belive us ? keep blaming all the time oneside .... who came and destroyed the Turkish Cypriots heritages by their saying in FREE AREA ...... !!!!! Peoples from moon ????????

[Paphitis]

Greek Cemeteries in Occupied Cyprus:

[Paphitis]

Greek Orthodox Churches in Occupied Cyprus:

[halil]

General condition of Turkish Cypriots Mosques ,Cemeteries ,Tekkes and ancient tomps under the Greek Cypriots controlled Southern Part of the island.(in 171 regions9

Mosques:
In good condition:25
Destroyed:16
In bad condition:14
Neglected:47
Total:102

Cemeteries:
In good condition:3
Destroyed:43
In bad condition:93
Neglrcted:9
Total:148

Turkish Baths.
In good Condition:1
Destroyed:1
İn bad condition:5
Total:7

Fountains
İn good condition:1
destroyed:2
In bad condition:1
Total:4

Tekke-ancient Tombs
Destroyed:1
In bad condition:2
Neglected:1
Total:4


Houses and schools are not in this list .

[Viewpoint]

Thin air? Here is a British made documentary about it:



That is when the intercommunal conflict started and by whom it was started.

Does this mean that it was the first time that Turks and Cypriots killed each other in Cyprus. No. Of course it happened before, but those where unrelated to the inter-communal conflict because the inter-communal conflict started in 1958 when you attacked us.

If you want to talk about murders and killing in general, and who did the very first of those, well my frined, it is again the Turks:

In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

So it is clear who was attacked and who had to fight back.

The Turks kept attacking Cypriots in order to impose their rule over us, oppress us, and deny to Cypriots their right to rule their own island. This is something you continue doing today by illegally occupying the north part of our country with 40.000 Turkish troops.

Total rubbish you have picked a moment in history and are trying to fool people into believing is was the out numbered TCs who started the intercommunal fights and wanted to gift Cyprus to Greece enosis was on the scene well before Taksim thats why we fought back but the first chance you had to wipe the slate clean and start again was 1960 but you choose to attack Dec 1963 the world knows about Kanlı Noel.......the rest are excuses, you ruined the only chance we had to build a united island and now you pay the price and will continue to do so unless you accept us as your equals in a BBF with political equality just as the UN and your leaders support.

So our desire for freedom was your excuse to attack us in 1958?? Yes, we wanted to be free as other Greek island and territories and everybody else that was under Ottoman or British rule. What is wrong with this?

This is when we, along with the rest of Greeks, started to demand our freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

According to VP the Turks were "fighting back" when they attacked us and started killing us in 1821 because we dared to ask for our freedom. And when in 1955 we fought against our new rulers the British (not the Turks. We didn't touch them) the Turks decided that our desire for freedom was a good excuse for them to attack us again, like they did in 1821, because we committed the "crime" of wanting our freedom from foreign rulers!!!

It is clear who attacked whom. The Turks attacked us, starting all conflicts in Cyprus, with the aim to deny to Cypriot people their freedom.

According to VP the Cypriot people did not have the right to take the decisions for the own island in a democratic way, but the Turks and the British foreign rulers had this right!!!!

Well hello, we are part of the Cypriot people you appear to overlook this very important point when it suits you and it was your biased one sided desire to gift Cyprus to Greece which would have meant our death warrant, gave us no choice but to fight for survival the best way we could and fight we did. The result of your actions and ours is the division of today, this did not happen out of thin air and it is why solving this issue is so difficult the world does not trust you enough to give you what you ask for instead they see fit a BBF with political equality as the way forward just like they did the agreements of 1960, have you ever asked yourself why the world has not taken enough action to get Turkey out and return the "RoC" to its former state? You are not trusted with dealing with the TC community in a unitary state so guarantees and plenty of safeguards are necessary to insure you act according to the rules laid out before you.

[Viewpoint]

Deniz and Halil your attempt to point out that Gcs are just as guilty as TCs when it comes to the destruction of our heritage falls on death ears, someone who can dismiss the photographic evidence you have provided as "they were built of mud so the fell down" is not a mentality you can reason with or make see the realities of the situation.

GCs are the masters of covering up their own shit and blaming everyone else for their problems, the day GCs stand up and admit their wrong doings is they day you will understand they have changed, but the blindness only indicates they are donkeys with a saddle on their backs thinking they are race horses.