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Postby Talisker » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:36 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The Palestinian people have systematically been displaced from their traditional lands and inheritance. The Gaza Strip, which has an area of 360sq kms, and is home to some 1.5 million displaced Palestinians. The population density is around 11,000 per sq km! At the same time, the Gazans are cut off from the rest of the world, unable to trade, and have been severely hampered from importing important supplies, including medicine. The GDP of the Gaza Strip is $600.00 per capita, which is ranked 167th in the world. It is literally one of the most impoverished areas of world.

The Israelis have taken away all their dignity, so no one should be surprised that the Gazans have become radicalised.

The below maps illustrate this systematic plunder of Palestinian land and inheritance over the last 6 decades.

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The Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus have an area of 250 sq kms, so imagine the squalor when you cram over 1 million people into such a small area.

For the last 5 days, we have witnessed Israeli aggression against a desperate and impoverished people. Women and children have been murdered in cold blood, and images such as these have been prolific on our television sets.

Image

The casualty list is as follows:

1) over 416 civilians killed
2) some 2070 Gazans wounded, some critical

Women and children comprise 25% of those killed and 40% of those wounded.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/wor ... 50607.html

So far, it has been confirmed that only 1 HAMAS militant has been killed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7807124.stm

I agree that the Palestinian people deserve and must have their own independent and recognised nation , Hamas is however the stumbling block .
The Palestinian authority in West Bank have been ousted from Gaza by Hamas , and further more the Palestinian President Mr. Abbas has condemned Hamas and begged them , prior to the Israeli attacks, not to call an end to the ceasefire.
Hams is responsible for the current carnage , Israel will not remain dormant in the face of continued rocket attacks.
May I also suggest that you check your figures on casualties. From the total killed so far civilians amount to about 25% not as you state 100% .
Civilian Casualties are a disgrace to the human race and should never have been put into a situation where their lives are at risk. You seem to want to convey the message that Israel has embarked on the killing spree of civilians as a matter of course , the fact is it has not. It wants to force Hamas to abandon the daily rocket attacks , not an unreasonable wish . Hamas has stated that they will carry on until Israel is pushed into the sea !!

You keep telling us Hamas are the problem, but they won the last Palestinian election, therefore represent the majority view of the Palestinian population. By your reasoning the Palestinians are the problem!
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:41 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The Palestinian people have systematically been displaced from their traditional lands and inheritance. The Gaza Strip, which has an area of 360sq kms, and is home to some 1.5 million displaced Palestinians. The population density is around 11,000 per sq km! At the same time, the Gazans are cut off from the rest of the world, unable to trade, and have been severely hampered from importing important supplies, including medicine. The GDP of the Gaza Strip is $600.00 per capita, which is ranked 167th in the world. It is literally one of the most impoverished areas of world.

The Israelis have taken away all their dignity, so no one should be surprised that the Gazans have become radicalised.

The below maps illustrate this systematic plunder of Palestinian land and inheritance over the last 6 decades.

Image

The Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus have an area of 250 sq kms, so imagine the squalor when you cram over 1 million people into such a small area.

For the last 5 days, we have witnessed Israeli aggression against a desperate and impoverished people. Women and children have been murdered in cold blood, and images such as these have been prolific on our television sets.

Image

The casualty list is as follows:

1) over 416 civilians killed
2) some 2070 Gazans wounded, some critical

Women and children comprise 25% of those killed and 40% of those wounded.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/wor ... 50607.html

So far, it has been confirmed that only 1 HAMAS militant has been killed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7807124.stm

I agree that the Palestinian people deserve and must have their own independent and recognised nation , Hamas is however the stumbling block .
The Palestinian authority in West Bank have been ousted from Gaza by Hamas , and further more the Palestinian President Mr. Abbas has condemned Hamas and begged them , prior to the Israeli attacks, not to call an end to the ceasefire.
Hams is responsible for the current carnage , Israel will not remain dormant in the face of continued rocket attacks.
May I also suggest that you check your figures on casualties. From the total killed so far civilians amount to about 25% not as you state 100% .
Civilian Casualties are a disgrace to the human race and should never have been put into a situation where their lives are at risk. You seem to want to convey the message that Israel has embarked on the killing spree of civilians as a matter of course , the fact is it has not. It wants to force Hamas to abandon the daily rocket attacks , not an unreasonable wish . Hamas has stated that they will carry on until Israel is pushed into the sea !!


Get your facts right...

I said that 25% of those killed and 40% of those wounded are women and children.

I also said that so far only 1 HAMAS militant has been confirmed as killed...

Israel has embarked on an indiscriminant killing spree of innocent civilians. Their rockets and bombs do not discriminate in such a densely populated area such as the Gaza Strip.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:09 pm

At Least 425 Killed in Gaza as Israel Running Out of Things to Bomb...

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/01/at-l ... s-to-bomb/


US Foils Draft UN Resolution to Stop Gaza Attacks...

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/01/us-f ... a-attacks/


Make 2009 the year when you RETHINK the definition for the word "Terrorism"...
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Postby miltiades » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:17 pm

Talisker wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The Palestinian people have systematically been displaced from their traditional lands and inheritance. The Gaza Strip, which has an area of 360sq kms, and is home to some 1.5 million displaced Palestinians. The population density is around 11,000 per sq km! At the same time, the Gazans are cut off from the rest of the world, unable to trade, and have been severely hampered from importing important supplies, including medicine. The GDP of the Gaza Strip is $600.00 per capita, which is ranked 167th in the world. It is literally one of the most impoverished areas of world.

The Israelis have taken away all their dignity, so no one should be surprised that the Gazans have become radicalised.

The below maps illustrate this systematic plunder of Palestinian land and inheritance over the last 6 decades.

Image

The Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus have an area of 250 sq kms, so imagine the squalor when you cram over 1 million people into such a small area.

For the last 5 days, we have witnessed Israeli aggression against a desperate and impoverished people. Women and children have been murdered in cold blood, and images such as these have been prolific on our television sets.

Image

The casualty list is as follows:

1) over 416 civilians killed
2) some 2070 Gazans wounded, some critical

Women and children comprise 25% of those killed and 40% of those wounded.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/wor ... 50607.html

So far, it has been confirmed that only 1 HAMAS militant has been killed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7807124.stm

I agree that the Palestinian people deserve and must have their own independent and recognised nation , Hamas is however the stumbling block .
The Palestinian authority in West Bank have been ousted from Gaza by Hamas , and further more the Palestinian President Mr. Abbas has condemned Hamas and begged them , prior to the Israeli attacks, not to call an end to the ceasefire.
Hams is responsible for the current carnage , Israel will not remain dormant in the face of continued rocket attacks.
May I also suggest that you check your figures on casualties. From the total killed so far civilians amount to about 25% not as you state 100% .
Civilian Casualties are a disgrace to the human race and should never have been put into a situation where their lives are at risk. You seem to want to convey the message that Israel has embarked on the killing spree of civilians as a matter of course , the fact is it has not. It wants to force Hamas to abandon the daily rocket attacks , not an unreasonable wish . Hamas has stated that they will carry on until Israel is pushed into the sea !!

You keep telling us Hamas are the problem, but they won the last Palestinian election, therefore represent the majority view of the Palestinian population. By your reasoning the Palestinians are the problem!

Are you forgetting the street battles with Fatah , are you ignoring the fact that the population of the West Bank is 2.4 million as against Gazas at 1.48 , Israel is not attacking the West Bank or Gaza for that matter but Hamas .
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Postby miltiades » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:25 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The Palestinian people have systematically been displaced from their traditional lands and inheritance. The Gaza Strip, which has an area of 360sq kms, and is home to some 1.5 million displaced Palestinians. The population density is around 11,000 per sq km! At the same time, the Gazans are cut off from the rest of the world, unable to trade, and have been severely hampered from importing important supplies, including medicine. The GDP of the Gaza Strip is $600.00 per capita, which is ranked 167th in the world. It is literally one of the most impoverished areas of world.

The Israelis have taken away all their dignity, so no one should be surprised that the Gazans have become radicalised.

The below maps illustrate this systematic plunder of Palestinian land and inheritance over the last 6 decades.

Image

The Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus have an area of 250 sq kms, so imagine the squalor when you cram over 1 million people into such a small area.

For the last 5 days, we have witnessed Israeli aggression against a desperate and impoverished people. Women and children have been murdered in cold blood, and images such as these have been prolific on our television sets.

Image

The casualty list is as follows:

1) over 416 civilians killed
2) some 2070 Gazans wounded, some critical

Women and children comprise 25% of those killed and 40% of those wounded.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/wor ... 50607.html

So far, it has been confirmed that only 1 HAMAS militant has been killed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7807124.stm

I agree that the Palestinian people deserve and must have their own independent and recognised nation , Hamas is however the stumbling block .
The Palestinian authority in West Bank have been ousted from Gaza by Hamas , and further more the Palestinian President Mr. Abbas has condemned Hamas and begged them , prior to the Israeli attacks, not to call an end to the ceasefire.
Hams is responsible for the current carnage , Israel will not remain dormant in the face of continued rocket attacks.
May I also suggest that you check your figures on casualties. From the total killed so far civilians amount to about 25% not as you state 100% .
Civilian Casualties are a disgrace to the human race and should never have been put into a situation where their lives are at risk. You seem to want to convey the message that Israel has embarked on the killing spree of civilians as a matter of course , the fact is it has not. It wants to force Hamas to abandon the daily rocket attacks , not an unreasonable wish . Hamas has stated that they will carry on until Israel is pushed into the sea !!


Get your facts right...

I said that 25% of those killed and 40% of those wounded are women and children.

I also said that so far only 1 HAMAS militant has been confirmed as killed...

Israel has embarked on an indiscriminant killing spree of innocent civilians. Their rockets and bombs do not discriminate in such a densely populated area such as the Gaza Strip.

No mate this is what you said :1) over 416 civilians killed

Where did you get this figure from mate ?? any links ?
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:35 pm

Get Real! wrote:At Least 425 Killed in Gaza as Israel Running Out of Things to Bomb...

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/01/at-l ... s-to-bomb/


US Foils Draft UN Resolution to Stop Gaza Attacks...

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/01/us-f ... a-attacks/


Make 2009 the year when you RETHINK the definition for the word "Terrorism"...



.........................add to that the word 'civilised/civilisation'.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:15 pm

Whether Hamas terrorises Israel or not, the fact remains: the people of Gaza live an inhuman existence which is caused by a blockade that is illegal. If Israel wishes to demonstate behaviour which is civilised it should act accordingly.

these acts of violence are not a demonstration of power by the Israelis in my mind because they can do better.
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:33 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The Palestinian people have systematically been displaced from their traditional lands and inheritance. The Gaza Strip, which has an area of 360sq kms, and is home to some 1.5 million displaced Palestinians. The population density is around 11,000 per sq km! At the same time, the Gazans are cut off from the rest of the world, unable to trade, and have been severely hampered from importing important supplies, including medicine. The GDP of the Gaza Strip is $600.00 per capita, which is ranked 167th in the world. It is literally one of the most impoverished areas of world.

The Israelis have taken away all their dignity, so no one should be surprised that the Gazans have become radicalised.

The below maps illustrate this systematic plunder of Palestinian land and inheritance over the last 6 decades.

Image

The Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus have an area of 250 sq kms, so imagine the squalor when you cram over 1 million people into such a small area.

For the last 5 days, we have witnessed Israeli aggression against a desperate and impoverished people. Women and children have been murdered in cold blood, and images such as these have been prolific on our television sets.

Image

The casualty list is as follows:

1) over 416 civilians killed
2) some 2070 Gazans wounded, some critical

Women and children comprise 25% of those killed and 40% of those wounded.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/wor ... 50607.html

So far, it has been confirmed that only 1 HAMAS militant has been killed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7807124.stm

I agree that the Palestinian people deserve and must have their own independent and recognised nation , Hamas is however the stumbling block .
The Palestinian authority in West Bank have been ousted from Gaza by Hamas , and further more the Palestinian President Mr. Abbas has condemned Hamas and begged them , prior to the Israeli attacks, not to call an end to the ceasefire.
Hams is responsible for the current carnage , Israel will not remain dormant in the face of continued rocket attacks.
May I also suggest that you check your figures on casualties. From the total killed so far civilians amount to about 25% not as you state 100% .
Civilian Casualties are a disgrace to the human race and should never have been put into a situation where their lives are at risk. You seem to want to convey the message that Israel has embarked on the killing spree of civilians as a matter of course , the fact is it has not. It wants to force Hamas to abandon the daily rocket attacks , not an unreasonable wish . Hamas has stated that they will carry on until Israel is pushed into the sea !!


Get your facts right...

I said that 25% of those killed and 40% of those wounded are women and children.

I also said that so far only 1 HAMAS militant has been confirmed as killed...

Israel has embarked on an indiscriminant killing spree of innocent civilians. Their rockets and bombs do not discriminate in such a densely populated area such as the Gaza Strip.

No mate this is what you said :1) over 416 civilians killed

Where did you get this figure from mate ?? any links ?


I got it from this link:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/wor ... 50607.html

which states:

"This war does not target just Hamas and the government, it is targeting Palestinians and their cause," he stated in a televised address as Gaza's death toll rose to 417.


And considering that there is only 1 confirmed HAMAS militant kill:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7807124.stm

Then by doing some very quick mental arithmetic, I deduce the following:

417 - 1 confirmed HAMAS kill = 416 civialns killed. :(
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Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:08 pm

...you must add to your calculation the three Israelis which have been killed in this last debacle...
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Postby tranquill » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:16 pm

Hamas now plans major suicide attacks inside Israel. The group actually warned Muslims who are foreign citizens to leave Israel immediately: http://samsonblinded.org/news/hamas-war ... srael-5473
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