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[miltiades]

Still taking names...
Polis - good answer??? What ??? My father was murdered coming back to save his mother in Istinco, he was a simple farmer. What was it you said "In the meantime you have an absolute right to return to your beautiful home and garden in Troodos (which by the way is a mountain, not a settlement), pay your taxes and live as a first class citizen but you choose not to." Rather not thanks - just read the posts to see how a Turkish Cypriot is really considered. How many Greek Cypriots have felt safe returning to their homes in the North?

Using the biblican quote still stands, all those that are casting stones of theft, brutality and the rest, are you without sin?

Epsilon - did the method of the signing of the constitution justify the destruction of my human rights, to land, to feeling safe in my country, to the physical and emotional wellbeing of my person and those around me to the treatment as 3rd class citizen.

So let's add to the list Polis, Oracle and Epsilon.

Is there anyone out there who can dig a little deeper or is every Greek Cypriot writing on this forum "no more than a bigoted, racist, self-interested, freeloader, brain washed and/or naturally masochistic individual."

It is wise before opening your mouth and making statements on the forum members to study a little of their past posts . I suggest you were not even born way back during those horrid years of inter communal strife. Istinjo is the bithplace of a dear friend Birkibrisly. Are you saying your father was murdered in Istinjo ? May I have his name PM to me please.
In the meantime I suggest that you obtain a copy of SEVGUL ULUDAG'S BOOK " OYSTERS WITH THE MISSING PEARLS " then come back and debate with a little more knowledge of what went on all those years ago before you were born.

[Viewpoint]

Still taking names...
Polis - good answer??? What ??? My father was murdered coming back to save his mother in Istinco, he was a simple farmer. What was it you said "In the meantime you have an absolute right to return to your beautiful home and garden in Troodos (which by the way is a mountain, not a settlement), pay your taxes and live as a first class citizen but you choose not to." Rather not thanks - just read the posts to see how a Turkish Cypriot is really considered. How many Greek Cypriots have felt safe returning to their homes in the North?

Using the biblican quote still stands, all those that are casting stones of theft, brutality and the rest, are you without sin?

Epsilon - did the method of the signing of the constitution justify the destruction of my human rights, to land, to feeling safe in my country, to the physical and emotional wellbeing of my person and those around me to the treatment as 3rd class citizen.

So let's add to the list Polis, Oracle and Epsilon.

Is there anyone out there who can dig a little deeper or is every Greek Cypriot writing on this forum "no more than a bigoted, racist, self-interested, freeloader, brain washed and/or naturally masochistic individual."

Great post Açıkgöz...dont give up we are right behind you.

[Oracle]

Still taking names...
Polis - good answer??? What ??? My father was murdered coming back to save his mother in Istinco, he was a simple farmer. What was it you said "In the meantime you have an absolute right to return to your beautiful home and garden in Troodos (which by the way is a mountain, not a settlement), pay your taxes and live as a first class citizen but you choose not to." Rather not thanks - just read the posts to see how a Turkish Cypriot is really considered. How many Greek Cypriots have felt safe returning to their homes in the North?

Using the biblican quote still stands, all those that are casting stones of theft, brutality and the rest, are you without sin?

Epsilon - did the method of the signing of the constitution justify the destruction of my human rights, to land, to feeling safe in my country, to the physical and emotional wellbeing of my person and those around me to the treatment as 3rd class citizen.

So let's add to the list Polis, Oracle and Epsilon.

Is there anyone out there who can dig a little deeper or is every Greek Cypriot writing on this forum "no more than a bigoted, racist, self-interested, freeloader, brain washed and/or naturally masochistic individual."

Great post Açıkgöz...dont give up we are right behind you.

This is VP the Grey Wolf recruitment officer ....

[YFred]

Still taking names...
Polis - good answer??? What ??? My father was murdered coming back to save his mother in Istinco, he was a simple farmer. What was it you said "In the meantime you have an absolute right to return to your beautiful home and garden in Troodos (which by the way is a mountain, not a settlement), pay your taxes and live as a first class citizen but you choose not to." Rather not thanks - just read the posts to see how a Turkish Cypriot is really considered. How many Greek Cypriots have felt safe returning to their homes in the North?

Using the biblican quote still stands, all those that are casting stones of theft, brutality and the rest, are you without sin?

Epsilon - did the method of the signing of the constitution justify the destruction of my human rights, to land, to feeling safe in my country, to the physical and emotional wellbeing of my person and those around me to the treatment as 3rd class citizen.

So let's add to the list Polis, Oracle and Epsilon.

Is there anyone out there who can dig a little deeper or is every Greek Cypriot writing on this forum "no more than a bigoted, racist, self-interested, freeloader, brain washed and/or naturally masochistic individual."

Welcome to the forum, as a TC, I can tell you that there are plenty of decent GCs on this forum, but we do have some Eoka-Crap and Eocow-Crap members to contend with, so just observe the posts and you will see who is decent and who is indecent.

[Acikgoz]

My Fathers name was Osman, we had just moved to Kucuk Kaymakli in Lefkosa it was on his way back to Istinco after getting us settled there. Unfortunately Militades you are still focusing on 1974 and Turkey - let's add you to the list too. Our village was primarily Greek but we had plenty of land and on visiting it a few years ago I noticed none of the family graves were there any more. They have been driven over as though they never existed.

YFred, Viewpoint, thanks for the welcome, its just that no-one seems to be able to stop shoving Turkey back at me when I am a Turkish Cypriot and this crap happened to me and my family before 1974 and Turkey.
I just want some feedback to say to me a whole ethnic people cannot just ignore truths about what they did and continually persecute without the integrity to look at the effects of their own actions.

DT, Polis, Oracle, Epsilon, Get Real and Militades - thanks for your comments - Noted.

[YFred]

My Fathers name was Osman, we had just moved to Kucuk Kaymakli in Lefkosa it was on his way back to Istinco after getting us settled there. Unfortunately Militades you are still focusing on 1974 and Turkey - let's add you to the list too. Our village was primarily Greek but we had plenty of land and on visiting it a few years ago I noticed none of the family graves were there any more. They have been driven over as though they never existed.

YFred, Viewpoint, thanks for the welcome, its just that no-one seems to be able to stop shoving Turkey back at me when I am a Turkish Cypriot and this crap happened to me and my family before 1974 and Turkey.
I just want some feedback to say to me a whole ethnic people cannot just ignore truths about what they did and continually persecute without the integrity to look at the effects of their own actions.

DT, Polis, Oracle, Epsilon, Get Real and Militades - thanks for your comments - Noted.

You just have to rise above it when the Extreme elements post. Decent GCs know exactly what happend between 1960 and 1974.

[Viewpoint]

My Fathers name was Osman, we had just moved to Kucuk Kaymakli in Lefkosa it was on his way back to Istinco after getting us settled there. Unfortunately Militades you are still focusing on 1974 and Turkey - let's add you to the list too. Our village was primarily Greek but we had plenty of land and on visiting it a few years ago I noticed none of the family graves were there any more. They have been driven over as though they never existed.

YFred, Viewpoint, thanks for the welcome, its just that no-one seems to be able to stop shoving Turkey back at me when I am a Turkish Cypriot and this crap happened to me and my family before 1974 and Turkey.
I just want some feedback to say to me a whole ethnic people cannot just ignore truths about what they did and continually persecute without the integrity to look at the effects of their own actions.

DT, Polis, Oracle, Epsilon, Get Real and Militades - thanks for your comments - Noted.

Açıkgöz sorry to hear about your personal loss but as zans says you have to try and rise above it but sometimes its very hard and we are all human you just hit back twice as hard as their comments even for the loss of a loved one can be creul and heartless. But dont give up these people either believe our troubles started in 1974 or if they get frustrated they revert back to 1571...only a few are brave enough to state the real truth of what happened.

We are right by your side, this is a public forum so you to have the right to air your views, they cannot shut us up or indimidate us anymore.

[polis]

My father was murdered coming back to save his mother in Istinco, he was a simple farmer. What was it you said "In the meantime you have an absolute right to return to your beautiful home and garden in Troodos (which by the way is a mountain, not a settlement), pay your taxes and live as a first class citizen but you choose not to." Rather not thanks - just read the posts to see how a Turkish Cypriot is really considered. How many Greek Cypriots have felt safe returning to their homes in the North?

Well, why don't we just give these Greek Cypriots the same right to return to their properties that you have to return to yours and we'll see. Meanwhile, the turkish cypriots shopping at The Mall last weekend didn't look all that scared to me, nor the one having his coffee in the table next to me in Le Cafe.

Your father was murdered in 1964, that's sad. I'm sure it was hard on you and your family and you have everyone's sympathy, but if you think that gives you the right to vent your rage on a few dozens of thousants of innocent civilians, go into a rampage of murder, rape, robbery and intimidation, ethnically cleanse a whole region out of its population and still have the audacity to call other people bigots and racist for not condoning your dream of appatheid in a purely turkish Cypriot motherland soaked on the blood of its former Greek inhabitants, you are mistaken.

You are not the only one to have lost a loved one in the conflict. Our press has been covering the story of the Soupouris family of 17 murdered in cold blood, whose remains were recently located and buried, under the headline "I do not want revenge". They are the words of Petros Soupouris, aged 8 at the war who was a witness of the killing of his two younger siblings aged four and three and both of his parents in Palekythro in August 1974. Maybe if you stop standing in awe at the sound of your own voice and just listen for a while you might get to learn something and come out a better person.

[miltiades]

My Fathers name was Osman, we had just moved to Kucuk Kaymakli in Lefkosa it was on his way back to Istinco after getting us settled there. Unfortunately Militades you are still focusing on 1974 and Turkey - let's add you to the list too. Our village was primarily Greek but we had plenty of land and on visiting it a few years ago I noticed none of the family graves were there any more. They have been driven over as though they never existed.

YFred, Viewpoint, thanks for the welcome, its just that no-one seems to be able to stop shoving Turkey back at me when I am a Turkish Cypriot and this crap happened to me and my family before 1974 and Turkey.
I just want some feedback to say to me a whole ethnic people cannot just ignore truths about what they did and continually persecute without the integrity to look at the effects of their own actions.

DT, Polis, Oracle, Epsilon, Get Real and Militades - thanks for your comments - Noted.

Istinjo was not at all primarily G/c IT WAS A T/C VILLAGE IN ITS ENTIRETY.
I visited Istinjo a couple of years back it is about 6 miles away from my village . My friends father , a T/C , was the village school teacher .
From your comments that Istinjo was mostly a G/C village I take it that you do not really know the village that well. The village was 100% a T/C village , it is now uninhabited and mostly in ruins the only building standing is the mosque/ school.
Birkibrisly , a T/C who lives in Australia was old enough to recall the dreadful years of 63-64 so I will ask him about your father .
Do please remember that the seeds of hatred were planted by the extremists who considered Cyprus NOT THEIR MOTHERLAND , but instead looked to Greece and Turkey , the two cancers that caused so much damage to our island especially Turkey by invading ruthlessly our island and causing the death and displacement of thousands of innocent Cypriot people.
ps. What gave you the idea that Istinjo was anything but a 100% T/C village !

[Viewpoint]

My father was murdered coming back to save his mother in Istinco, he was a simple farmer. What was it you said "In the meantime you have an absolute right to return to your beautiful home and garden in Troodos (which by the way is a mountain, not a settlement), pay your taxes and live as a first class citizen but you choose not to." Rather not thanks - just read the posts to see how a Turkish Cypriot is really considered. How many Greek Cypriots have felt safe returning to their homes in the North?

Well, why don't we just give these Greek Cypriots the same right to return to their properties that you have to return to yours and we'll see. Meanwhile, the turkish cypriots shopping at The Mall last weekend didn't look all that scared to me, nor the one having his coffee in the table next to me in Le Cafe.

Your father was murdered in 1964, that's sad. I'm sure it was hard on you and your family and you have everyone's sympathy, but if you think that gives you the right to vent your rage on a few dozens of thousants of innocent civilians, go into a rampage of murder, rape, robbery and intimidation, ethnically cleanse a whole region out of its population and still have the audacity to call other people bigots and racist for not condoning your dream of appatheid in a purely turkish Cypriot motherland soaked on the blood of its former Greek inhabitants, you are mistaken.

You are not the only one to have lost a loved one in the conflict. Our press has been covering the story of the Soupouris family of 17 murdered in cold blood, whose remains were recently located and buried, under the headline "I do not want revenge". They are the words of Petros Soupouris, aged 8 at the war who was a witness of the killing of his two younger siblings aged four and three and both of his parents in Palekythro in August 1974. Maybe if you stop standing in awe at the sound of your own voice and just listen for a while you might get to learn something and come out a better person.

What does he say about Greece eoka terrorists and Makarios and their role in triggering off Turkish intervention and the discrimination and persecution of TCs?