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[denizaksulu]

Did not the Turkish Cypriots in that area need to leave their homes to find safety?

I'm sure once the order came from the TMT you had to go or you'd end up like these people here...


TMT attacks against Turkish Cypriots, May-July, 1958
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- 22.5.58: Murder attempt against Ahmet Sadi, Director of the Turkish Office of the Pancyprian Workers Federation. In order to save his life, Sadi left Cyprus soon after and settled in England.

- 24.5.48: Murder of Fazil Onder, Chief Editor of the weekly newspaper "Inkilapci".

- 29.5.58: Murder of Ahmet Yahya, committee member of the progressive Turkish Cypriot Athletic-Cultural Centre.

- 5.6.58: Murder attempt against Hasan Ali, member of a Construction Workers Committee of the Pancyprian Labour Federation.

- 30.6.58: Murder of Ahmet Ibrahim, a barber from Limassol, because he had friendly relations with Greek-Cypriots and expressed himself in favour of Greek-Turkish cooperation.

- 3.7.58: Murder attempt against Arif Hulusi Barudi. He was working in a business owned by a Greek Cypriot. Before the attempt he had received a threatening letter demanding that he leave his job.

You are racist, What are the blank lines for?
I see the lines have been removed for the Eoka activities, which I am sure were more in number than TMT.

Hmmm... 200+ GC civilians killed by EOKA... When TMT compared to EOKA, it seems like angel... However, according to GR EOKA consist of Greek nationalist Cypriots? heroes, TMT is enemy of TC-GC brotherhood; even TC killer. GR, have u got the list of GC civilians killed by EOKA and explanations why they were killed?

Within thepastyear someone did publish a list of all Greek Cypriots killed by EOKA. You may need to search for it. There were more than 150 nmes there. They were labelled as traitors or 'unhelpful' to the cause of EOKA and Enosis.
Perhaps the author can point you in the right direction.

[denizaksulu]

GR, have u got the list of GC civilians killed by EOKA and explanations why they were killed?

That's your problem to research not mine.


I answered someone’s question who wondered why he had to leave his village and head for an enclave…

GR, I keep on telling you that the movement to the enclaves was for better protection it provided. You have to see it from the TC point of view, And yes, unfortunately it was the TMT directing the peoples 'exodus' but that was their duty to 'protect'. I will add that I no way supported their actions of preventing inter communal relationships. My family also suffered at their hands. They were threatened and two attempts were made to burn their house down. The reason was that they spoke to the GCs. My poor grandfather earned a few piastres to carry out his job as the Moukhtari, Can you imagine the pressure he was under. Anyway he ignored the TMT and it nearly cost his life.(together with my grandmother, who was woken up at the acrid smell of the burning house.)

[Paphitis]

GR, have u got the list of GC civilians killed by EOKA and explanations why they were killed?

That's your problem to research not mine.


I answered someone’s question who wondered why he had to leave his village and head for an enclave…

GR, I keep on telling you that the movement to the enclaves was for better protection it provided. You have to see it from the TC point of view, And yes, unfortunately it was the TMT directing the peoples 'exodus' but that was their duty to 'protect'. I will add that I no way supported their actions of preventing inter communal relationships. My family also suffered at their hands. They were threatened and two attempts were made to burn their house down. The reason was that they spoke to the GCs. My poor grandfather earned a few piastres to carry out his job as the Moukhtari, Can you imagine the pressure he was under. Anyway he ignored the TMT and it nearly cost his life.(together with my grandmother, who was woken up at the acrid smell of the burning house.)

Let's have a closer look at the TMT's duty to "protect" the TCs.

Here is the evidence that really does clear the air about Turkish propaganda with regards to the enclaves:

In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in the majority.

Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia.

And any TC that resisted or refused to abandon their homes and move into enclaves were either murdered or went missing:

Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence.

In Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was threatened and later murdered by the TMT.

Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.

The sole aim of the enclaves was so that the TMT extremists were more easily able to gather all TCs and mobilise them towards partition. This could not be achieved if the TCs remained scattered all over Cyprus.

"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created.

On 23 Dec 63, Turkish Gangs force Armenians to abandon their homes, shops, schools and clubs at gunpoint, to make more room for TCs and create another enclave within the Armenian quarter of Nicosia.

On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.

http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

Therefore, we can conclude that the TC claims that enclaves were set up for protection against the Greeks is false. The primary objective for the TMT was TAKSIM!

[miltiades]

Militades, some facts for some facts. All around us were Greek villages, my eldest siblings spoke Greek as fluently as any Greek Cypriot. Speak with your friend. Obtain what you need, I pray he remembers my father and you will be an honest broker in sharing your findings.
Now you give me a fact, for someone that appears to have both knowledge and contacts. Did not the Turkish Cypriots in that area need to leave their homes to find safety? You're working to evaluate my character, let's hear about your ability to share the truth. Or, is this a game for you, assasinate character to avoid admitting the truth. Focus on the question I am asking, I can see you are finding it hard to answer.

You are therefore wrong in saying that Istinjo was primarily a G/C village .
Istingo was amongst a cluster of T/C villages surrounded by G/C villages.
Following the Turkish air bombardment of 1964 and the increase in intercommunal conflict the T/Cs became the target of G/C extremists , the people of Istinjo as well as from the few T/C villages nearby had no alternative but to vacate and seek refuge in T/C strongholds mostly in the Nicosia area. G/Cs alos in predominantly T/C villages acted likewise.
The hatred that developed all those years ago was responsible for the unforgivable crimes commited by both communities against mostly innocent Cypriot people. The perpetuation and noursihment of this intense hatred continued long after the early 60s .
Let me tell you now a few realities and facts.
Turkey invaded in 1974 as a direct result of the coup against Makarios which gave her the right as per the Zurich agreements to intervene and restore the legitimate government. It was never her intention since her goal was to divide and partition the island. A Turkish goal well documented. Having " intervened" 35 years later the Turkish troops are still in Cyprus , may I say against the wishes of many T/Cs who see the troops as nothing short of occupiers. In "intervening" she used the excuse that she did so to stop the "massacre" of T/Cs. This propaganda has filtered throug to the young and old alike and is today "exploited" as a fact when in reality 6 years prior to the Turkish invasion Not One SINGLE T/C was a victim of the G/C extremists.
The fact that today we witness the gradual extiction of the T/C replaced by Anatolian settlers is one of the reasons why the Internation community which Is Not controlled by Turkey , refuses to bow to pressure by the occupier and recognise that part of occupied Cyprus as a nation.
The recent ECJ judgement has put an end to the claims that the RoC is one of two nations in Cyprus.
There is , and always will be one Cyprus , the land of the Cypriots , those amongst us that consider a foreign nation as a motherland had better realize that the Cypriots will never accept the division of our island. Birkibrisly is one of many true compatriots who by empathising with the plight of his G/C compatriots , just as I have with my T/C compatriots , has found that in order to have permanent peace and tranquility on this island we all have to embrace Cyprus as our homeland .

You are new to forum and are not aware perhaps that apart from Birkibrisly , Kikapu , Vurye , Ahmed , xxNillxx , Pashias , Cem , Iceman , Deniz , Umit 07 and many many more consider Cyprus to be their homeland and do not consider their compatriots as murderers , bigots and racists , anymore than I consider my compatriots in an arbitrary fashion.

Following some research , not hearsay , 7 T/Cs bearing the name OSMAN were killed in 1963 . From the 7 OSMANS killed two were from Paphos .
I have the surnames of all killed , but I must say that none is shown as coming from Istinjo .
May the RIP and may their murderers rot in hell .
Your fathers surname ? , please pm me.
Thanks

[denizaksulu]

GR, have u got the list of GC civilians killed by EOKA and explanations why they were killed?

That's your problem to research not mine.


I answered someone’s question who wondered why he had to leave his village and head for an enclave…

GR, I keep on telling you that the movement to the enclaves was for better protection it provided. You have to see it from the TC point of view, And yes, unfortunately it was the TMT directing the peoples 'exodus' but that was their duty to 'protect'. I will add that I no way supported their actions of preventing inter communal relationships. My family also suffered at their hands. They were threatened and two attempts were made to burn their house down. The reason was that they spoke to the GCs. My poor grandfather earned a few piastres to carry out his job as the Moukhtari, Can you imagine the pressure he was under. Anyway he ignored the TMT and it nearly cost his life.(together with my grandmother, who was woken up at the acrid smell of the burning house.)

Let's have a closer look at the TMT's duty to "protect" the TCs.

Here is the evidence that really does clear the air about Turkish propaganda with regards to the enclaves:

In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in the majority.

Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia.

And any TC that resisted or refused to abandon their homes and move into enclaves were either murdered or went missing:

Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence.

In Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was threatened and later murdered by the TMT.

Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.

The sole aim of the enclaves was so that the TMT extremists were more easily able to gather all TCs and mobilise them towards partition. This could not be achieved if the TCs remained scattered all over Cyprus.

"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created.

On 23 Dec 63, Turkish Gangs force Armenians to abandon their homes, shops, schools and clubs at gunpoint, to make more room for TCs and create another enclave within the Armenian quarter of Nicosia.

On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.

http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

Therefore, we can conclude that the TC claims that enclaves were set up for protection against the Greeks is false. The primary objective for the TMT was TAKSIM!

In Turkish there is a saying: Denize düşenö yılana sarılır". Meaning, ' him who falls into the sea, grabs hold of the [sea] serpent.

At the time (1963) it was their lives that the ordinary Cypriot peasant was primarily worried about. None thought that this was a move towards Partition. If indeed this was the case, then only the TMT leadership and RRDenktas knew this. With hind sight you can read what you like into this. My grandfather never even spoke of Partition. When he was asked to move to Kophinou then on to Ay. Theodoros, partition was far from his mind. Then I am asking myself, why Ay Theodoros? A mixed village with a large GC population. Now that is surprising.

[Acikgoz]

Pirates, still you have sidelined the question posed. If you're so focused on the past I think you'll have more fun by picking up Homer again for your bloodlust passion and Greek pride and perspective on the historical backbone of the interpretation of invaders. In the meantime maybe The Clouds by Aristophanes might be more your cup of tea - I'm sure many that write on this forum would like that. So, do I need to say it again please, please, please - STICK TO THE POINT - enough with the wild flalings of crazy argument, step up and get real.

Militades, I respect your ability to source knowledge but knowledge without wisdom is useless - your answer still remains outstanding.
I really have no hatred in my heart for what had occurred as recent history has been unkind to many and many have lost loved ones on both sides. For me, it is a case of having to heal the wounds which requires acceptance of the part we played and proportional restitution for proportional suffering. Unfortunately what the south has done now is monstrous - even in our wildest dreams did we not conceive the Greek Cypriots (majority) to be so ruthless. By continuing obfuscate my rights and the thousands like me, you deny the damage "you" have caused innocent people (before Turkey and 1974) and by continuing to paint a one sided picture as demonstrated but what appears to be 100% of Greek Cypriot writers on this forum all continue to fall into one or multiple descriptions I have mentioned.

I will share with you more when you show me that you too are aware of the injustice of the situation and that there are thieves on both sides which means the thieves on both sides must make fair restitution for the property they utilised and continue to utilise. Remember Turkey didn't drive me from my home "you" did.

[Oracle]

Good luck in your unfocused quest to blame everything on GCs for wishing to survive in their own country .....

You are one of 70 Million Turks with a virtual sub-continent of a country ... stop expanding into our tiny territory!

Turkey was manic in its anti-Christian genocidal campaigns during the 20th century killing over 2,500,000 Christians and expelling 1,500,000 Christians under forced exchanges of populations.

We had every right to try and defend ourselves against becoming yet more of the dead statistic of Turkey and their accomplices ...

[Paphitis]

GR, have u got the list of GC civilians killed by EOKA and explanations why they were killed?

That's your problem to research not mine.


I answered someone’s question who wondered why he had to leave his village and head for an enclave…

GR, I keep on telling you that the movement to the enclaves was for better protection it provided. You have to see it from the TC point of view, And yes, unfortunately it was the TMT directing the peoples 'exodus' but that was their duty to 'protect'. I will add that I no way supported their actions of preventing inter communal relationships. My family also suffered at their hands. They were threatened and two attempts were made to burn their house down. The reason was that they spoke to the GCs. My poor grandfather earned a few piastres to carry out his job as the Moukhtari, Can you imagine the pressure he was under. Anyway he ignored the TMT and it nearly cost his life.(together with my grandmother, who was woken up at the acrid smell of the burning house.)

Let's have a closer look at the TMT's duty to "protect" the TCs.

Here is the evidence that really does clear the air about Turkish propaganda with regards to the enclaves:

In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in the majority.

Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia.

And any TC that resisted or refused to abandon their homes and move into enclaves were either murdered or went missing:

Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence.

In Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was threatened and later murdered by the TMT.

Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.

The sole aim of the enclaves was so that the TMT extremists were more easily able to gather all TCs and mobilise them towards partition. This could not be achieved if the TCs remained scattered all over Cyprus.

"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created.

On 23 Dec 63, Turkish Gangs force Armenians to abandon their homes, shops, schools and clubs at gunpoint, to make more room for TCs and create another enclave within the Armenian quarter of Nicosia.

On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.

http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

Therefore, we can conclude that the TC claims that enclaves were set up for protection against the Greeks is false. The primary objective for the TMT was TAKSIM!

In Turkish there is a saying: Denize düşenö yılana sarılır". Meaning, ' him who falls into the sea, grabs hold of the [sea] serpent.

At the time (1963) it was their lives that the ordinary Cypriot peasant was primarily worried about. None thought that this was a move towards Partition. If indeed this was the case, then only the TMT leadership and RRDenktas knew this. With hind sight you can read what you like into this. My grandfather never even spoke of Partition. When he was asked to move to Kophinou then on to Ay. Theodoros, partition was far from his mind. Then I am asking myself, why Ay Theodoros? A mixed village with a large GC population. Now that is surprising.

You are the one that stated it was the TMT's duty to "protect".

This was not their duty at all, and they murdered many TCs and forced many more into enclaves as their one and only objective was Taksim and not to protect the TCs.

The evidence is right there in front of your very own nose.

[miltiades]

Pirates, still you have sidelined the question posed. If you're so focused on the past I think you'll have more fun by picking up Homer again for your bloodlust passion and Greek pride and perspective on the historical backbone of the interpretation of invaders. In the meantime maybe The Clouds by Aristophanes might be more your cup of tea - I'm sure many that write on this forum would like that. So, do I need to say it again please, please, please - STICK TO THE POINT - enough with the wild flalings of crazy argument, step up and get real.

Militades, I respect your ability to source knowledge but knowledge without wisdom is useless - your answer still remains outstanding.
I really have no hatred in my heart for what had occurred as recent history has been unkind to many and many have lost loved ones on both sides. For me, it is a case of having to heal the wounds which requires acceptance of the part we played and proportional restitution for proportional suffering. Unfortunately what the south has done now is monstrous - even in our wildest dreams did we not conceive the Greek Cypriots (majority) to be so ruthless. By continuing obfuscate my rights and the thousands like me, you deny the damage "you" have caused innocent people (before Turkey and 1974) and by continuing to paint a one sided picture as demonstrated but what appears to be 100% of Greek Cypriot writers on this forum all continue to fall into one or multiple descriptions I have mentioned.

I will share with you more when you show me that you too are aware of the injustice of the situation and that there are thieves on both sides which means the thieves on both sides must make fair restitution for the property they utilised and continue to utilise. Remember Turkey didn't drive me from my home "you" did.

May I respectfully request that you answer my question as to your father's surname. According to my records ""Following some research , not hearsay , 7 T/Cs bearing the name OSMAN were killed in 1963 . From the 7 OSMANS killed two were from Paphos .
I have the surnames of all killed , but I must say that none is shown as coming from Istinjo .
May the RIP and may their murderers rot in hell .
Your fathers surname ? , please pm me.
Thanks
Kindly confirm since you posted some serious inaccuracies concerning the mix of your village Istinjo.
Please note the records that I have are of T/C origin not G/C.
You said that your father was murdered on his way to Istinjo to collect your mother , his name you said was Osman .

[denizaksulu]

GR, have u got the list of GC civilians killed by EOKA and explanations why they were killed?

That's your problem to research not mine.


I answered someone’s question who wondered why he had to leave his village and head for an enclave…

GR, I keep on telling you that the movement to the enclaves was for better protection it provided. You have to see it from the TC point of view, And yes, unfortunately it was the TMT directing the peoples 'exodus' but that was their duty to 'protect'. I will add that I no way supported their actions of preventing inter communal relationships. My family also suffered at their hands. They were threatened and two attempts were made to burn their house down. The reason was that they spoke to the GCs. My poor grandfather earned a few piastres to carry out his job as the Moukhtari, Can you imagine the pressure he was under. Anyway he ignored the TMT and it nearly cost his life.(together with my grandmother, who was woken up at the acrid smell of the burning house.)

Let's have a closer look at the TMT's duty to "protect" the TCs.

Here is the evidence that really does clear the air about Turkish propaganda with regards to the enclaves:

In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in the majority.

Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia.

And any TC that resisted or refused to abandon their homes and move into enclaves were either murdered or went missing:

Turkish Cypriots who favoured compromise or a close relationship between the two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence.

In Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was threatened and later murdered by the TMT.

Two progressive-thinking, London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed outright by these same Turkish gangs.

The sole aim of the enclaves was so that the TMT extremists were more easily able to gather all TCs and mobilise them towards partition. This could not be achieved if the TCs remained scattered all over Cyprus.

"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as `federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and the human misery created.

On 23 Dec 63, Turkish Gangs force Armenians to abandon their homes, shops, schools and clubs at gunpoint, to make more room for TCs and create another enclave within the Armenian quarter of Nicosia.

On December 23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church, school and clubs to make room for more Turks.

http://www.ahmp.org/MedByp2.html

Therefore, we can conclude that the TC claims that enclaves were set up for protection against the Greeks is false. The primary objective for the TMT was TAKSIM!

In Turkish there is a saying: Denize düşenö yılana sarılır". Meaning, ' him who falls into the sea, grabs hold of the [sea] serpent.

At the time (1963) it was their lives that the ordinary Cypriot peasant was primarily worried about. None thought that this was a move towards Partition. If indeed this was the case, then only the TMT leadership and RRDenktas knew this. With hind sight you can read what you like into this. My grandfather never even spoke of Partition. When he was asked to move to Kophinou then on to Ay. Theodoros, partition was far from his mind. Then I am asking myself, why Ay Theodoros? A mixed village with a large GC population. Now that is surprising.

You are the one that stated it was the TMT's duty to "protect".

This was not their duty at all, and they murdered many TCs and forced many more into enclaves as their one and only objective was Taksim and not to protect the TCs.

The evidence is right there in front of your very own nose.

I never disagreed on what the TMT did. As I did point out my family relationship with them. At the time they advised people to concentrate in certain areas for protection from marauding murderers - who ever they were. I doubt if most of the TMT members (local peasants) knew of the ultimate goal of 'Partition'.

I cant believe you are so 'bloody minded' to assume ALL knew these secret plans hatched by RRD and the TMT leadership.

Remember, hindsight teaches you a lot; including ofcourse yourself.