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Postby DT. » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:17 pm

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:You don't read much do you?

I thought you'd come back with something stupid like that so you'll find on the same link my explanation.

DT. wrote:Any smartass thinking of asking me what Italy has to do with the Cyprus problem can keep schtum.

Apart from the fact that we belong to the same Union and they are a vital ally and partner to Cyprus may I also remind everyone that had the Venetians performed better against the Ottomans then we wouldn't have a Cyprus problem now.

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Wow… :shock: you’ve made a connection between the middle ages republic of Venice and modern day Italy? And how do the Lombards fit into your grand scheme? :lol:

Maybe I SHOULD read your childish thread… :lol:


You've been making connections with a small village of Chirokoitian dwarfs outside Larnaca and the present day Cypriot population for the past 6 months now :lol:

Err, Hello? :? They dug them up in the country we’re living in so whose ancestors do you suppose they might be… the Bolivians? :lol:


I'll wager you there's a lot more Cypriots of Venetian descent walking around right now than Chirokoitian. Did these people just happen to rule Cyprus for a couple of hundred years without messing with a few of our grandmothers?
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Postby Oracle » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:18 pm

Besides .... your standards are dropping! :roll:

You've lapsed by a missing apostrophe in your thread's title .... :(
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Postby EPSILON » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:19 pm

james_mav wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
james_mav wrote:It is mind boggling to think that Greek Cypriots would engage in Greece bashing. Do the Greece-bashers actually believe that the entire Cyprus would not simply be the kibris province of tourkomongolistan if it were not for Greece?

Quite the contrary… it’s BECAUSE OF Greece that 37% of Cypriot territory has regressed to Ottoman rule! Where have you been on another planet? :lol:

Think of the peace dividend that Greece could reap: if it were not for the existential threat posed by the tourkomogoloi against the Republic of Cyprus, Greece would be able to reduce her ridiculously beefed up military. A not insignificant percentage of Greece's military expenditure is committed to maintaining a deterrent against tourkomogolo aggression against the Republic of Cyprus.

I'll put it to you very bluntly because I sense you're a bit slow... :?

Do you know what the Cypriot “mouchos” means?

Here’s a hint --> Image

Well, that’s the ONLY thing Greeks are good at and unfortunately Turks don’t find it very threatening… :(

If Greece is not your best ally, who is? And let me pre-empt any stupid responses: (1) Cyprus does not need allies, and (2) The EU, are both incorrect.

Err, with allies like these who needs enemies... :lol:

Do you rely on heavy use of infantile emoticons because you're unable to put together a coherent argument?

I agree, Greece is the reason that 37% of Cyprus is occupied by the tourkomogoloi. Taken another way however, Greece is the reason that 63% of Cyprus is not occupied. Do you honestly think that if it were not for the deterrent presented by Greece, the tourkomogoloi would not have manipulated the tourkomogolo guests on Cyprus to precipitate a crisis and grab the whole island? The coup of 1974 was just one of many possible excuses.

You have no answered my question: if Greece is not Cyprus' best ally, who is?


Stop mixing up Junta of Athens with the country Greece.
No Greece-no EU-NO EURO-No missiles no navy/air bases no ...even ROC.
As for 37% yes Junta is the main reason plus of course some thousands clever locals who, several people usually forget to refer to.Even GR would have a relative participating!!!!1
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:19 pm

james_mav wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
james_mav wrote:It is mind boggling to think that Greek Cypriots would engage in Greece bashing. Do the Greece-bashers actually believe that the entire Cyprus would not simply be the kibris province of tourkomongolistan if it were not for Greece?

Quite the contrary… it’s BECAUSE OF Greece that 37% of Cypriot territory has regressed to Ottoman rule! Where have you been on another planet? :lol:

Think of the peace dividend that Greece could reap: if it were not for the existential threat posed by the tourkomogoloi against the Republic of Cyprus, Greece would be able to reduce her ridiculously beefed up military. A not insignificant percentage of Greece's military expenditure is committed to maintaining a deterrent against tourkomogolo aggression against the Republic of Cyprus.

I'll put it to you very bluntly because I sense you're a bit slow... :?

Do you know what the Cypriot “mouchos” means?

Here’s a hint --> Image

Well, that’s the ONLY thing Greeks are good at and unfortunately Turks don’t find it very threatening… :(

If Greece is not your best ally, who is? And let me pre-empt any stupid responses: (1) Cyprus does not need allies, and (2) The EU, are both incorrect.

Err, with allies like these who needs enemies... :lol:

Do you rely on heavy use of infantile emoticons because you're unable to put together a coherent argument?

I agree, Greece is the reason that 37% of Cyprus is occupied by the tourkomogoloi. Taken another way however, Greece is the reason that 63% of Cyprus is not occupied. Do you honestly think that if it were not for the deterrent presented by Greece, the tourkomogoloi would not have manipulated the tourkomogolo guests on Cyprus to precipitate a crisis and grab the whole island? The coup of 1974 was just one of many possible excuses.

You have no answered my question: if Greece is not Cyprus' best ally, who is?



Geographically, Cyprus is in the bosom of Turkey. :?
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:20 pm

Oracle wrote:Besides .... your standards are dropping! :roll:

You've lapsed by a missing apostrophe in your thread's title .... :(

I hope you don't mean after "Rights" because you'd be wrong...
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Postby james_mav » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:21 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
james_mav wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
james_mav wrote:It is mind boggling to think that Greek Cypriots would engage in Greece bashing. Do the Greece-bashers actually believe that the entire Cyprus would not simply be the kibris province of tourkomongolistan if it were not for Greece?

Quite the contrary… it’s BECAUSE OF Greece that 37% of Cypriot territory has regressed to Ottoman rule! Where have you been on another planet? :lol:

Think of the peace dividend that Greece could reap: if it were not for the existential threat posed by the tourkomogoloi against the Republic of Cyprus, Greece would be able to reduce her ridiculously beefed up military. A not insignificant percentage of Greece's military expenditure is committed to maintaining a deterrent against tourkomogolo aggression against the Republic of Cyprus.

I'll put it to you very bluntly because I sense you're a bit slow... :?

Do you know what the Cypriot “mouchos” means?

Here’s a hint --> Image

Well, that’s the ONLY thing Greeks are good at and unfortunately Turks don’t find it very threatening… :(

If Greece is not your best ally, who is? And let me pre-empt any stupid responses: (1) Cyprus does not need allies, and (2) The EU, are both incorrect.

Err, with allies like these who needs enemies... :lol:

Do you rely on heavy use of infantile emoticons because you're unable to put together a coherent argument?

I agree, Greece is the reason that 37% of Cyprus is occupied by the tourkomogoloi. Taken another way however, Greece is the reason that 63% of Cyprus is not occupied. Do you honestly think that if it were not for the deterrent presented by Greece, the tourkomogoloi would not have manipulated the tourkomogolo guests on Cyprus to precipitate a crisis and grab the whole island? The coup of 1974 was just one of many possible excuses.

You have no answered my question: if Greece is not Cyprus' best ally, who is?



Geographically, Cyprus is in the bosom of Turkey. :?

Does this mean that Cyprus belongs to tourkomogolistan?
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Postby YFred » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:21 pm

DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:You don't read much do you?

I thought you'd come back with something stupid like that so you'll find on the same link my explanation.

DT. wrote:Any smartass thinking of asking me what Italy has to do with the Cyprus problem can keep schtum.

Apart from the fact that we belong to the same Union and they are a vital ally and partner to Cyprus may I also remind everyone that had the Venetians performed better against the Ottomans then we wouldn't have a Cyprus problem now.

.

Wow… :shock: you’ve made a connection between the middle ages republic of Venice and modern day Italy? And how do the Lombards fit into your grand scheme? :lol:

Maybe I SHOULD read your childish thread… :lol:


You've been making connections with a small village of Chirokoitian dwarfs outside Larnaca and the present day Cypriot population for the past 6 months now :lol:

Err, Hello? :? They dug them up in the country we’re living in so whose ancestors do you suppose they might be… the Bolivians? :lol:


I'll wager you there's a lot more Cypriots of Venetian descent walking around right now than Chirokoitian. Did these people just happen to rule Cyprus for a couple of hundred years without messing with a few of our grandmothers?

DT what are you insinuating man? Don’t bring my ancestor into this!
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Postby EPSILON » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:21 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
james_mav wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
james_mav wrote:It is mind boggling to think that Greek Cypriots would engage in Greece bashing. Do the Greece-bashers actually believe that the entire Cyprus would not simply be the kibris province of tourkomongolistan if it were not for Greece?

Quite the contrary… it’s BECAUSE OF Greece that 37% of Cypriot territory has regressed to Ottoman rule! Where have you been on another planet? :lol:

Think of the peace dividend that Greece could reap: if it were not for the existential threat posed by the tourkomogoloi against the Republic of Cyprus, Greece would be able to reduce her ridiculously beefed up military. A not insignificant percentage of Greece's military expenditure is committed to maintaining a deterrent against tourkomogolo aggression against the Republic of Cyprus.

I'll put it to you very bluntly because I sense you're a bit slow... :?

Do you know what the Cypriot “mouchos” means?

Here’s a hint --> Image

Well, that’s the ONLY thing Greeks are good at and unfortunately Turks don’t find it very threatening… :(

If Greece is not your best ally, who is? And let me pre-empt any stupid responses: (1) Cyprus does not need allies, and (2) The EU, are both incorrect.

Err, with allies like these who needs enemies... :lol:

Do you rely on heavy use of infantile emoticons because you're unable to put together a coherent argument?

I agree, Greece is the reason that 37% of Cyprus is occupied by the tourkomogoloi. Taken another way however, Greece is the reason that 63% of Cyprus is not occupied. Do you honestly think that if it were not for the deterrent presented by Greece, the tourkomogoloi would not have manipulated the tourkomogolo guests on Cyprus to precipitate a crisis and grab the whole island? The coup of 1974 was just one of many possible excuses.

You have no answered my question: if Greece is not Cyprus' best ally, who is?



Geographically, Cyprus is in the bosom of Turkey. :?


Since when , before or after Mongolians arrived in the area?
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:32 pm

james_mav wrote:Do you rely on heavy use of infantile emoticons because you're unable to put together a coherent argument?

With or without emoticons, do you really think you stand a chance? [assume something here]

I agree, Greece is the reason that 37% of Cyprus is occupied by the tourkomogoloi. Taken another way however, Greece is the reason that 63% of Cyprus is not occupied.

Do you honestly think that if it were not for the deterrent presented by Greece, the tourkomogoloi would not have manipulated the tourkomogolo guests on Cyprus to precipitate a crisis and grab the whole island? The coup of 1974 was just one of many possible excuses.

Image

Keep 'em coming...

You have no answered my question: if Greece is not Cyprus' best ally, who is?

If the very population of Cyprus; those that call themselves “Cypriot”, is comprised of 60% "Hellenic" traitors and 30% Turkish traitors, what's the chances that any foreigner would want to ally with her?
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Postby DT. » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:34 pm

Get Real! wrote:
james_mav wrote:It is mind boggling to think that Greek Cypriots would engage in Greece bashing. Do the Greece-bashers actually believe that the entire Cyprus would not simply be the kibris province of tourkomongolistan if it were not for Greece?

Quite the contrary… it’s BECAUSE OF Greece that 37% of Cypriot territory has regressed to Ottoman rule! Where have you been on another planet? :lol:

Think of the peace dividend that Greece could reap: if it were not for the existential threat posed by the tourkomogoloi against the Republic of Cyprus, Greece would be able to reduce her ridiculously beefed up military. A not insignificant percentage of Greece's military expenditure is committed to maintaining a deterrent against tourkomogolo aggression against the Republic of Cyprus.

I'll put it to you very bluntly because I sense you're a bit slow... :?

Do you know what the Cypriot “mouchos” means?

Here’s a hint --> Image

Well, that’s the ONLY thing Greeks are good at and unfortunately Turks don’t find it very threatening… :(

If Greece is not your best ally, who is? And let me pre-empt any stupid responses: (1) Cyprus does not need allies, and (2) The EU, are both incorrect.

Err, with allies like these who needs enemies... :lol:


Here's a list of those muchous you described earlier.

If you need the source then ask yourself 8) .

Get Real! wrote:(B) ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΣΗ ΠΕΣΟΝΤΩΝ ΑΞΚΩΝ-Μ.ΥΠΑΞΚΩΝ (Greek Officers)
Α/Α ΒΑΘΜΟΣ ΕΠΩΝΥΜΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΠΑΤΕΡΑ Σ.Α ΜΟΝΑΔΑ ΗΜΕΡ. ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ ΠΕΡΙΟΧΗ ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ

1 Σχης (ΠΒ) ΧΑΤΖΗΔΑΚΗΣ ΕΜΜΑΝΟΥΗΛ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ 29704 173 ΜΑ/ΤΠ 22.7.1974 Περιοχή Καραόλου Αμμοχώστου
2 Σχης (ΠΖ) ΜΠΟΥΤΟΣ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ ΜΙΧΑΗΛ 31048 286 Τ.Π. 3.8.1974 Τραυματίστηκε στο χωριό Κοντεμένος Κύπρου και απεβίωσε στο 401 ΓΣΝΑ
3 Σχης (ΠΖ) ΜΟΥΖΑΚΗΣ ΑΝΔΡΕΑΣ ΝΙΚΟΛΑΟΣ 32589 Ι ΑΤΔ 20.7.1974 Περιοχή Τ/Κ Λυκείου Αμμοχώστου
4 Ανχης (ΠΖ) ΚΑΤΣΑΝΗΣ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣ 33261 33 ΜΚ 22.7.1974 Ύψωμα Πετρομούθια Πενταδακτύλου
5 Τχης (ΠΖ) ΣΤΑΜΠΟΥΛΗΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΟΣ ΠΕΛΟΠΙΔΑΣ 36569 ΕΛΔΥΚ 16.8.1974 Στρδο ΕΛΔΥΚ
6 Τχης (ΜΧ) ΣΤΑΥΡΙΑΝΑΚΟΣ ΣΩΤΗΡΙΟΣ ΜΙΧΑΗΛ 36619 ΕΛΔΥΚ 16.8.1974 Στρδο ΕΛΔΥΚ
7 Λγός (ΠΖ) ΤΣΩΝΟΣ (Αναγνωρίστηκε με τη μέθοδο DNA) ΣΩΤΗΡΙΟΣ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ 37441 ΕΛΔΥΚ 29.7.1974 Τραυματίστηκε στο Τ/Κ χωριό Κιόνελι Λευκωσίας και απεβίωσε στο Γ.Ν.Λευκωσίας
8 Λγός (ΠΖ) ΤΣΟΥΚΝΙΔΑΣ ΔΗΜΗΤΡΙΟΣ ΒΑΙΟΣ 37462 281 Τ.Π. 21.7.1974 Περιοχή Πέντε Μίλι Καραβά Κερύνειας
9 Ανθλγός (ΠΒ) ΚΑΤΣΑΝΟΣ ΕΥΑΓΓΕΛΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ 39707 173 ΜΑ/ΤΠ 22.7.1974 Περιοχή Καραόλου Αμμοχώστου
10 Εφ.Ανθλγός (ΠΖ) ΖΑΡΡΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ 149/140032/66 226 Τ.Π. 20.7.1974 Ύψωμα Αρτέμιδος Λάρνακας
11 Ανθστής (ΠΖ) ΚΟΚΑΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ ΠΑΝΑΓΙΩΤΗΣ 5024 ΕΛΔΥΚ 21.7.1974 Τ/Κ χωριό Κιόνελι Λευκωσίας
12 Ανθστής (ΜΧ) ΚΟΥΡΛΙΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ ΝΙΚΟΛΑΟΣ 5004 ΕΛΔΥΚ 16.8.1974 Στρδο ΕΛΔΥΚ
13 Ανθστής (ΠΖ) ΜΠΙΝΑΚΗΣ (Αναγνωρίστηκε με τη μέθοδο DNA) ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ 5056 ΕΛΔΥΚ 22.7.1974 Στρδο ΕΛΔΥΚ
14 Ανθστής (ΠΖ) ΣΚΑΜΠΑΡΔΩΝΗΣ ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣ ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΣ 5001 ΕΛΔΥΚ 16.8.1974 Στρδο ΕΛΔΥΚ
15 Ανθστής (ΤΘ) ΦΩΤΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ ΑΘΑΝΑΣΙΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΟΣ 6183 23 ΕΜΑ 23.7.1974 Περιοχή Αερολιμένος Λευκωσίας
16 Δεα (ΚΔ) ΤΣΑΚΜΙΡΑΝΗΣ ΔΗΜΗΤΡΙΟΣ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΣ 136/107442/74 Α ΜΚ 22.7.1974 Περιοχή Μακεδονίτισσας Λευκωσίας



(Γ) ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΣΗ ΠΕΣΟΝΤΩΝ ΑΕΡΟΠΟΡΙΑΣ (Greek Airforce)
Α/Α ΒΑΘΜΟΣ ΕΠΩΝΥΜΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΠΑΤΕΡΑ Σ.Α ΜΟΝΑΔΑ ΗΜΕΡ. ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ ΠΕΡΙΟΧΗ ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ

1 Επγος (Ι) ΠΑΝΑΓΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ (Αναγνωρίστηκε με τη μέθοδο DNA) ΒΑΣΙΛΕΙΟΣ 4163 22.7.1974 Περιοχή αεροδρομίου Λευκωσίας
2 Επγος (Ι) ΣΥΜΕΩΝΙΔΗΣ ΣΤΕΡΓΙΟΣ 5461 22.7.1974 Περιοχή αεροδρομίου Λευκωσίας
3 Ανθσγος (ΤΥΜ) ΔΑΒΑΡΗΣ (Αναγνωρίστηκε με τη μέθοδο DNA) ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΣ 9558 22.7.1974 Περιοχή αεροδρομίου Λευκωσίας
4 Εσμίας (ΡΝΑ) ΑΝΘΙΜΟΣ ΗΛΙΑΣ 24978 22.7.1974 Περιοχή αεροδρομίου Λευκωσίας



(Δ) ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΣΗ ΠΕΣΟΝΤΩΝ ΝΑΥΤΙΚΟΥ (Greek Navy)
Α/Α ΒΑΘΜΟΣ ΕΠΩΝΥΜΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΠΑΤΕΡΑ Σ.Α ΜΟΝΑΔΑ ΗΜΕΡ. ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ ΠΕΡΙΟΧΗ ΘΑΝΑΤΟΥ

1 Υποπλοίαρχος (Μ) ΤΣΟΜΑΚΗΣ ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΙΟΣ 20.7.1974 Έπεσε κατά την βύθιση της Τ/Α 3 στη θαλάσσια περιοχή Κερύνειας
2 Αρχικελευστής (ΜΗΧ) ΒΙΤΟΥΛΑΔΙΤΗΣ ΛΕΩΝΙΔΑΣ ΑΓΜ 64059 20.7.1974 Έπεσε κατά την βύθιση της Τ/Α 3 στη θαλάσσια περιοχή Κερύνειας
3 Κελευστής (ΤΟΡ) ΚΑΡΕΤΣΟΣ ΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΣ ΑΓΜ 18549 20.7.1974 Έπεσε κατά την βύθιση της Τ/Α 3 στη θαλάσσια περιοχή Κερύνειας
4 Ναύτης (ΜΗΧ) ΚΟΥΤΣΟΥΡΑΔΗΣ ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΙΟΣ ΑΓΜ 50051 20.7.1974 Έπεσε κατά την βύθιση της Τ/Α 3 στη θαλάσσια περιοχή Κερύνειας
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