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Iranians rioting for democracy

Postby DT. » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:49 pm

Please don't watch this if you are of a weak desposition. The message at the end asks that as many people watch this as possible so I'm posting it here. The man in the striped t-shirt is her dad.

People dying for democracy and some take it for granted. :cry:

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Postby Oracle » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:40 pm

Neda was shot for being a woman wearing Western clothes ... The people who hide behind Islam to terrorise the weak are despicable.

My thoughts are with the Iranians who have the vision to want to shake off the Burka and the other trappings of Medieval slavery to which their leaders are binding them ....


.... and to think we have TCs being offered democracy on a plate, and they are too selfish to accept it, preferring slavery under Turks because they can have free "benefits" ...

Those who value security above liberty deserve neither, and should lose both!
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Re: Iranians rioting for democracy

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:28 am

DT. wrote:The message at the end asks that as many people watch this as possible so I'm posting it here.

An independent American poll prior to the election showed that Ahmadinejad was ahead by 2.5 times from his closest rival so there goes the story about a rigged election.

The Americans and Israelis are hard at work to destabilize Iran and you’ve just been used by them to spread their propaganda and bring about many more deaths to human beings.

DT, you need to meticulously follow international politics throughout the year to understand what’s REALLY happening when a new hotspot emerges, and should never jump to conclusions like… “Dying for democracy” and similar silly slogans!
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:42 am

There are many articles out there that tell the same story...

US, Allies Ratchet Up Anti-Iran Rhetoric

As the mass protests of the past week in Iran gave way to the comparatively tame question of legal challenges to the vote, Iran’s key rivals are ratcheting up their rhetoric, condemning the Iranian government and, in the case of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, calling for regime change.

Despite pre-election polls suggesting that President Ahmadinejad was favored by the largest voting bloc, Netanyahu claimed that more than 75% of the Iranian people wanted regime change in the nation, a prospect he appeared to endorse.


http://news.antiwar.com/2009/06/23/us-a ... -rhetoric/
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Re: Iranians rioting for democracy

Postby yialousa1971 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:53 am

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:The message at the end asks that as many people watch this as possible so I'm posting it here.

An independent American poll prior to the election showed that Ahmadinejad was ahead by 2.5 times from his closest rival so there goes the story about a rigged election.

The Americans and Israelis are hard at work to destabilize Iran and you’ve just been used by them to spread their propaganda and bring about many more deaths to human beings.

DT, you need to meticulously follow international politics throughout the year to understand what’s REALLY happening when a new hotspot emerges, and should never jump to conclusions like… “Dying for democracy” and similar silly slogans!


You have got some sense after all GR. Now that Iraq is finished now it's time for Iran.
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Re: Iranians rioting for democracy

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:03 am

yialousa1971 wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:The message at the end asks that as many people watch this as possible so I'm posting it here.

An independent American poll prior to the election showed that Ahmadinejad was ahead by 2.5 times from his closest rival so there goes the story about a rigged election.

The Americans and Israelis are hard at work to destabilize Iran and you’ve just been used by them to spread their propaganda and bring about many more deaths to human beings.

DT, you need to meticulously follow international politics throughout the year to understand what’s REALLY happening when a new hotspot emerges, and should never jump to conclusions like… “Dying for democracy” and similar silly slogans!


You have got some after all GR. Now that Iraq is finished now it's time for Iran.

Having realized that Iran can defend itself, the cowardly axis of factual evil (US/UK/Israel), not to be confused with the axis of imaginary evil (Iran/N.Korea/Syria/etc), realized that the coming election was their only opportunity to harm the Iranian people and they have to some extend succeeded unfortunately.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:08 am

There are two issues here ...

One is the right which Iran has to govern itself, unhindered ...

And the other is the fact it treats half its population (female) as second class citizens (and worse).

Although we can stand aside and respect the first, we cannot turn our backs on the cries of help from the enslaved women ....
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:11 am

Oracle wrote:There are two issues here ...

One is the right which Iran has to govern itself, unhindered ...

And the other is the fact it treats half its population (female) as second class citizens (and worse).

Although we can stand aside and respect the first, we cannot turn our backs on the cries of help from the enslaved women ....

That’s an age-old and very complex religious issue that shouldn’t be mixed with politics although it does tend to cross over.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:14 am

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:There are two issues here ...

One is the right which Iran has to govern itself, unhindered ...

And the other is the fact it treats half its population (female) as second class citizens (and worse).

Although we can stand aside and respect the first, we cannot turn our backs on the cries of help from the enslaved women ....

That’s an age-old and very complex religious issue that shouldn’t be mixed with politics although it does tend to cross over.


Religion does cross over with politics in Iran, or haven't you noticed?
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:17 am

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:There are two issues here ...

One is the right which Iran has to govern itself, unhindered ...

And the other is the fact it treats half its population (female) as second class citizens (and worse).

Although we can stand aside and respect the first, we cannot turn our backs on the cries of help from the enslaved women ....

That’s an age-old and very complex religious issue that shouldn’t be mixed with politics although it does tend to cross over.


Religion does cross over with politics in Iran, or haven't you noticed?

Let me put it to you this way Oracle…

Woman’s rights in Iran are minimized by their religion and not by politics, and you CANNOT ask a country to change religion overnight! For any change to succeed, it has to be gently introduced and over a period of time.
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