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[gabaston]

Is there not enough land in the south for all refugees to have been compensated?

do you blame us for your govt refusing to give you land.

we have never lived normal lives since the brits left and we still dont, and you accuse us of stealing, hasnt something been stolen from us? - is your govt stealing your rights in order to perpetuate some dream?

if we took more than we left...................why?

the final table may be about to beckon gentlemen.

[MicAtCyp]

my family have more property in the south than they do in the north

Everybody of you does. Each and everyone of you has more property left behind than what you grabbed in the north.
Sell you fairy tail to others.Not to me.

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Gabaston,


never you heard that the TCs left behind 1/3 of land area-wise compared to what they grabbed in the North? Never you heard that those lands in the north worth 20 times as much? Never passed through your mind that under the most bizare conditions grabbing 37% of the richest land by the 18% of people is at least double in size?

By yeah, right each and everyone one of you got less, each and everyone of you has property in the free areas worthing much more that what Denktash gave you. Isn’t that very strange?

The same reply goes to you:
Sell you fairy tail to others.Not to me.

[Piratis]

Is there not enough land in the south for all refugees to have been compensated?

You had the 18% of land (less actually but anyways) and you stole 37%. Do the maths. You all got more than you left behind, and you had even more to give away to settlers.

I wonder if the "solution" was partition based on 18%-82%, if you would still want the settlers, since in this way they would need to take a percantage of land away from you and not from us.

[gabaston]

ok guys

you believe what you like- but dont call me a liar, i have the deeds to prove it - we left about eight donums and got 5.


how much land did tcs live on then pre 74?

[Piratis]

you believe what you like- but dont call me a liar, i have the deeds to prove it - we left about eight donums and got 5.

1 donum in one area can worth the same as 50 donums in another.

how much land did tcs live on then pre 74?

This has been discuss before. It is bellow 18%, around 16%-17%.

[MicAtCyp]

gabaston sorry if it sounded like calling you liar. My intention was not that. The fact is every TC we meets says he got less.
Anyway there is a thread a few days back started by Kifeas with the title "alternative scenario" or something like that.In there there are table showing the data you want.

[gabaston]

yes piratis i agree location location

what i have in larnaca is central larnaca very very desirable prime location (no more descriptions) - and probabaly worth twice what weve been given - thats without the kophinou plots (house + arable)

many have gained but we didnt - the problrem is those who profitted and have sold on -

[Anglo]

"Separately, there are specific rules for foreigners purchasing property in the north and you should ensure you are fully aware of these."

The UK Government clearly thinks that buying property in the TRNC is okay - otherwise why offer advice on how to go about it properly with awareness of local laws?

[Michael Coumas]

Gentlemen
I try to stay out of these ‘property’ arguments as they go round and round the same circle year in year out. We have all probably lost land / houses in either the North or South. My family has lost a huge amount, however if history teaches us anything it teaches us to listen at the negotiating table and I am afraid in this instance we are not prepared to listen and then act accordingly but would much rather bleat on about the injustice and illegality to an ever decreasing audience. It is an unfortunate fact that possession is nine tenths of the law. How long are we going to go on bemoaning the fact that an injustice has occurred, will anybody care in 300 years time?
I have deepest sympathy for all who have lost ancestral homes, including myself, but until we find the intelligence to negotiate which must start by an acceptance of guilt by all parties then I am afraid our children’s children’s children will be referring to us as the morons who in the late 20th and early 21st centuries were incapable of communicating yet somehow managed to conquer inner and outer space. The fact is that the situation as it stands today is going to matter less to the majority of mankind as time moves on. The time, I am sorry to say, for moaning is over, it is now time to either put up or shut up. The world is moving on & it will not wait for anyone. We all want our properties back, of course we do, but we must face facts, like them or not and more importantly deal with them. In the meantime during the last 31 years of procrastination other generations are being born who will claim that the land as theirs and who could blame them.
Think of it another way, think of the Cypriots who were dispossessed during the troubles and fled to America, Australia and England. Many of them were housed and their offspring and theirs after them too are living as indigenous people. It could be said that they are occupying property that a true American, Australian or Englishman should have but can’t.
Animals in the wild learn to co exist and very quickly learn that united they stand but divided they fall, it is a shame that we are not capable of doing the same. Perhaps God has realised his dreadful mistake of allowing humans to occupy the planet only to see them slowly destroy it and themselves, perhaps the animals are the superior beings after all. We certainly do not seem to show any evidence to the contrary.

[Kifeas]

yes piratis i agree location location

what i have in larnaca is central larnaca very very desirable prime location (no more descriptions) - and probabaly worth twice what weve been given - thats without the kophinou plots (house + arable)

Gabaston,
May I ask you were in Kyrenia is “your” property located?

Obviously you are comparing the current “market” values between properties located in the south (free areas) and the north (occupied areas.) This is not a proper comparison to do because the south is functioning under normal open market conditions and the north is functioning under ill or quasi-legality and non-recognition. If you invert the coin and go back to pre-1974 situation, the value of land in Kyrenia was definately much higher that Kofinou and perhaps higher than Larnaka too. If now you project the potential values immediately after a solution, then again the property in Kyrenia will become equal or even higher than Larnaka, on a per-donum basis.

many have gained but we didnt - the problrem is those who profitted and have sold on –

Yes gabaston, this is a very true statement. Many who did not have land to use for potential exchange (settlers, soldiers, fighters, crooks, Denktash friends, etc,) got land and profited and many who had land in the south, did not get an equivalent. However, the man that needs to be blamed is Mr. Denktash and Turkey which had kept him in power for so many years.