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Postby fig head » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:22 pm

CBBB wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
CBBB wrote:The problem isn't necessarily what the Qur'an says. it is the way the majority of the backward people that follow it interpret it!

If the interpretation is wrong then they're clearly NOT following it are they now?

The same could be said about the over abuse of Christianity.


And every other religion!


i grew up in islamic country.. and i was so afraid.. i had fear from every thing cause every litle thing is a sin..! i feared all those stories about what will happen to us when we die and we did anything that upsets allah.. i was even scared just because im a female.. in a world i`ve been told all my life roled by a man.. i saw the nearest to me living sad just because its the right thing to accept allah`s will.. men marry more than one woman for sexual desires but when a girl puts make up on she is a sinner and will live for ever after in hell..!! good woman listen to allah and listen to her husband..!!!! i know Islam is the final call for the humanity to follow allah, god or any other name, but islam is not the same when muslims acts and behave in a defarent way than the holly qur`aan says......
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Re: APOOSTASY

Postby Get Real! » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:25 pm

miltiades wrote:May I suggest that YOU read the Qur'an .

Uneducated Miltiades, this one’s for you:

Does The Bible Preach Violence?

"Many people have been quoting the Quran out of context in an effort to show that Islam promotes violence. A recent op-ed piece by Cal Thomas is a high profile example.

This is pure nonsense. Thomas and others doing this are taking selected passages and reading them completely out of context to support whatever argument they wish to make. I can do the same thing with the Bible.

Here are some choice passages from the KJV Bible which when read in isolation makes the Bible appear to be a primer for evil:"


http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/1086.htm


Bible Atrocities - Compiled by Donald Morgan

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... ocity.html


Cruelty and Violence in the Bible

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
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Postby QAMERSLAND » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:00 pm

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Why is the apostate to be executed in Islam?
As a non Muslim, I find myself Intrigued and attracted to your faith. However, I find it difficult to comprehend how a man can be sentenced to death for speaking( Salman Rushdie). I would have thought that we as humans do not have that right to make those decisions, only god can?

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Praise be to Allaah.

We thank you for your confidence in us and for sending this question to us, and we appreciate your being intrigued by our beliefs and your eagerness to find out the answer. We welcome you as a visitor and reader and learner.

What stood out from your letter is that you are impressed with the religion of Islam. This is a good sign for us and for you. We are happy for our religion to reach people like you who are seeking for the truth. Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that this religion would reach all places on this earth. It was narrated that Tameem al-Daari said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘This matter (i.e., Islam) will certainly reach everywhere that night and day reach, and Allaah will not leave any house or tent [i.e., all dwellings, in towns and in the desert], but Allaah will cause this religion to enter it, and some people will be honoured because of it [by converting] and others will be humiliated because of it [for refusing to embrace it], and they will be ruled by the Muslims, an honour which Allaah will bestow on Islam and a humiliation which He will inflict on kufr (disbelief).”

(Narrated by Ahmad, 16344; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 3).

In your case, your admiration for Islam will motivate you to find out what this pure monotheistic religion teaches, and how it is in accordance with sound human nature and common sense. We advise you to avoid completely and preconceptions that may influence you and take your time in reading about the teachings of the Islamic religion. Perhaps you could read material on this site about Islam, such as questions no. 219, 21613, 20756, 10590.

With regard to your question, “However, I find it difficult to comprehend how a man can be sentenced to death for speaking. I would have thought that we as humans do not have that right to make those decisions, only god can” – what you say is correct, because no-one has the right to condemn another person to death without evidence from the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

The ruling of execution because of a word that somebody utters is what the Muslim scholars call al-riddah (apostasy). What is apostasy and what constitutes apostasy? What is the ruling on the apostate (al-murtadd)?

1 – Riddah (apostasy) refers to when a Muslim becomes a disbeliever by saying a clear statement to that effect, or by uttering words which imply that (i.e., which imply kufr or disbelief), or he does something that implies that (i.e., an action which implies kufr or disbelief).

2 – What constitutes apostasy

The matters which constitute apostasy are divided into four categories:

(a) Apostasy in beliefs, such as associating others with Allaah, denying Him, or denying an attribute which is proven to be one of His attributes, or by affirming that Allaah has a son. Whoever believes that is an apostate and a disbeliever.

(b) Apostasy in words, such as insulting Allaah or the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

(c) Apostasy in actions, such as throwing the Qur’an into a filthy place, because doing that shows disrespect towards the words of Allaah, so it is a sign that one does not believe. Other such actions include prostrating to an idol or to the sun or moon.

(d) Apostasy by omission, such as not doing any of the rituals of Islam, or turning away from following it altogether.

3 – What is the ruling on the apostate?

If a Muslim apostatizes and meets the conditions of apostasy – i.e., he is of sound mind, an adult and does that of his own free will – then his blood may be shed with impunity. He is to be executed by the Muslim ruler or by his deputy – such as the qaadi or judge, and he is not to not be washed (after death, in preparation for burial), the funeral prayer is not to be offered for him and he is not to be buried with the Muslims.

The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180.

Thus it will be clear to you that execution of the apostate is something that is commanded by Allaah, when he commanded us to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority”

[al-Nisa’ 4:59]

And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has commanded us to execute the apostate as in the hadeeth quoted above: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”

It may need some time for you to be convinced about this matter, and for you to think about it. Perhaps you think that if a person follows the truth and enters into it and embraces the one true religion which Allaah has enjoined, then we allow him to leave it quite easily whenever he wants and to utter the words of kufr (disbelief) that put him outside of Islam, so he can reject Allaah, His Messenger, His Books and His religion, and there is no punishment as deterrent, how will that affect him and others who enter the religion?

Do you not see that this would make the one true religion, that everyone should follow, like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, and it may encourage others to forsake the truth.

Moreover, this is not someone who has never known the truth and practiced it and worshipped in accordance with it; rather this is a person who has known the truth, and practiced the religion and done the rituals of worship, so the punishment is no greater than he deserves. Moreover, such strong rulings as this are only applied to such a person whose life is no longer considered to be useful, because he knew the truth and followed the religion, then he left it and forsook it. What soul can be more evil than the soul of such a person?

In conclusion, the answer is that Allaah is the One Who revealed this religion and enjoined it. He is the One Who ruled that the one who enters it and then leaves it is to be executed. This ruling does not come from the Muslims’ ideas or suggestions. As this is the case, then we must follow the ruling of Allaah so long as we are content to accept Him as our Lord and God.

May Allaah help us and you to do that which He loves and which pleases Him. We thank you once again.

Peace be upon those who follow true guidance.


Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/20327/apostate
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Postby miltiades » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:09 pm

Rubbish !
Any religion that promotes murder is a false religion , a violent religion , devout of humanity and compassion, instills fear in the masses all in the name of the non existent God , Allah , Jehovah or whatever other false name is given to a NON EXISTENT CREATOR.
Blood , tears , burn in hell , what the hell is any religion that preaches hatred , intolerance and murder.
Long may the day come when the absurdity of all religions is challenged.

I asked this brainwashed individual if he agreed that a Muslim that leaves Islam should be put to death.
YES HE SAID HE AGREES !! What a cancerous vitriolic dogma. Kill someone because he or she are no longer Muslims !!
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Postby cyprico » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:52 pm

miltiades calm down. Kill them whereever you find them: Plese read the whole surah. Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one anywhere? These verses were revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis. They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the “terrorist”. These verses are not a permission for “terrorism” but they are a warning against the “terrorists.” But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized.

If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him. The same applies you cant read one verse and jump to conclusion, the people who were captured became muslims just to get food, money, houses and so on, the when they got what they wanted they left islam and tried to kill the muslims, before they got the chance they were burnt.

Seem you are reading the wrong websites faithfreedom hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Postby Me Ed » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:05 pm

Case closed:

From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy

The Hadith (a collection of sayings attributed to Muhammad and his companions) includes statements taken as supporting the death penalty for apostasy, such as:

Kill whoever changes his religion. Sahih al-Bukhari 9:84:57
The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims. Sahih al-Bukhari 9:83:17
Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, a Pakistani Islamic scholar, writes that punishment for apostasy was part of Divine punishment for only those who denied the truth even after clarification in its ultimate form by Muhammad (he uses term Itmam al-hujjah), hence, he considers this command for a particular time and no longer punishable.[14]

In 2006, Abdul Rahman, the Afghan convert from Islam to Christianity has attracted worldwide attention about where Islam stood on religious freedom. Prosecutors asked for the death penalty for him. However, under heavy pressure from foreign governments, the Afghan government claimed he was mentally unfit to stand trial and released him.

Islam Online, a website,[citation needed] contains a fatwa dated 21 March 2004 and ascribed to 'IOL Shariah Researchers' says:

"If a sane person who has reached puberty voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be punished.‏ In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed."[15] No one besides the caliph or his representative may kill the apostate. If someone else kills him, the killer is disciplined (for arrogating the caliph's prerogative and encroaching upon his rights, as this is one of his duties).
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Postby miltiades » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:10 pm

cyprico wrote:miltiades calm down. Kill them whereever you find them: Plese read the whole surah. Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one anywhere? These verses were revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis. They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the “terrorist”. These verses are not a permission for “terrorism” but they are a warning against the “terrorists.” But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized.

If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him. The same applies you cant read one verse and jump to conclusion, the people who were captured became muslims just to get food, money, houses and so on, the when they got what they wanted they left islam and tried to kill the muslims, before they got the chance they were burnt.

Seem you are reading the wrong websites faithfreedom hmmmmmmmmmmmm

What is wrong with www.faithfreedom.com
Please tell me whether you consider the above as the ...wrong site !
Why , is it because people who write on this site have seen the light and left Islam ?
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Postby Bad Boy » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:13 pm

The Torah states:

Deuteronomy 13:6-10:

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage:


I believe now Miltiades must teach some lessons to Jewish also, and also to his own church who they believe on Old testament.

As far I believe on New Testament (known as bible) was written 100 years after Jesus, and we know also the stories that real Bible has be burnt already, and all we have got now is whatever was favourable to chruch and priest to run thier BUSINESS.,

So all we are getting is in the Religion of Abrahim, punishment of Apostasy is Kill to death. If christians are saying NO, then they must go and find REAL Bible, (which they already have burnt).

Miltiades, you will never find the truth because God has Close your eyes and ears.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:18 pm

Bad Boy wrote:The Torah states:

Never mind what the Quoran or the Bible says Jew boy, just get your sorry arse in here and answer for your war crimes…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=340
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Postby Bad Boy » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:21 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Bad Boy wrote:The Torah states:

Never mind what the Quoran or the Bible says Jew boy, just get your sorry arse in here and answer for your war crimes…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=340


I am not JEW :evil: :evil: :evil:
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