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[Oracle]

... I would be happy for the TC administration to implement rent controls to protect the tennant from unscrupulous landlords.

Dear Me Ed ... please recognise that Cyprus is a sovereign country and no "administrators" are viable which are there, simply, to ease your life as a landlord who requires a "TC administration" to act as a "management company" or "rent collection agency"!

[Me Ed]

... I would be happy for the TC administration to implement rent controls to protect the tennant from unscrupulous landlords.

Dear Me Ed ... please recognise that Cyprus is a sovereign country and no "administrators" are viable which are there, simply, to ease your life as a landlord who requires a "TC administration" to act as a "management company" or "rent collection agency"!

Oracle,

you may find this useful:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_control

[Viewpoint]

Just when we are getting close to a plan that might be acceptable, Talat inserts the clause that mainland Turkish nationals must have the right of residence, establishment, movement and property in the resulting republic.

In other words he inserts a clause that he KNOWS cannot be accepted by the GC side. Whos is boycotting whom in this story?

This is rationalised as a way to equalise Greek and Turkish interests in Cyprus. No kidding! After dumping hundreds of thousands of settlers in Cyprus now Turkey wants equality, How is that achievable, we ask Greece to dump as many Greeks as there are Turks so we can even things out?

Do the majority of TCs want mainland Turks to have these reights requested by Talat? Anyone asked them?

No they do not Nikitas and here is why Viewpoint and Expatkiwi have not contributed a jot to this thread:

Taken from the Do GCs really understand what TCs want? thread:

do you have any clues as to where the average TC stands on the issue of settlers(new generation Tcs)??

Viewpoint, I'd be surprised if any large numbers of Turkish Cypriots would be supportive of the Anatolian Settlers in the TRNC.

Well done Expat at least someone has understood something that we have been saying thank you.

From what I understand, the issue of Anatolian migration was the first major bone of contention between Turkey and TRNC after Talat came to power. If Talat is saying that they are all TRNC citizens, then I would have to surmise that he had been "brought around" to the pro-migration position. This despite the fact that the Anatolian migrants have been contributing to the unemployment in the TRNC, not to mention the increase in crime...

pontian greeks in cyprus are greek citizens, not RoC citizens. They can vote in local elections but not national elections. They wont be voting in a referendum as opposed to the 'trnc citizens' who will pretty much hold the deciding votes in a referendum for unification.

So you wont mind this claim being checked out with the same rules that we agree to apply to settlers in the north being applied to those in the south? that arrived after 1974.

Voters should be restricted to those born IN Cyprus before 1974, and open to the disapora. That way, no migrant mess...

So Med Ed do you accept we treat all those that settled on the island after 1974 the same? or is it one rule for GCs and another for TCs?

VP, I believe that all eventual citizens of a united Cyprus should be treated the same.

I accept the the current settlers are there and should be allowed to stay post solution.

I do not accept this freedom of movement for Turkish citizens as part of the solution, and you have stated that the majority of TCs do not want this either, but no TC on this forum appears to have the courage of conviction to actually stand up and say this

I think the current settlers can be accommodated in a solution and speaking from my own personal circumstances, I own property in Kyrenia where a settler now lives. Unlike some other GCs, I would not necessarily want the settler simply thrown off my property as part of a solution.

I would settle for a) recognition in a TC administered area that it is my property and b) rent for the property from the current tennant starting from a a future re-unification date (I do not want back-rent as this would be counter-productive to a solution).

I would be happy for the TC administration to implement rent controls to protect the tennant from unscrupulous landlords.

However, I would not think it unfair to have the property back, way in the future when the settler eventually vacates the property.

I agree 100%...all settlers both sides of the divide shoudl be treated equally if we are going to send back the Turks then we have to also send back the Pontian Greeks or any others that were granted citizenship in the south. I will state for the record that the settlers issue is one where you will not find much resistence from TCs but they must be treated humanely and equally to those in the south.

[Nikitas]

Mr Ed said:

"I do not accept this freedom of movement for Turkish citizens as part of the solution, and you have stated that the majority of TCs do not want this either, but no TC on this forum appears to have the courage of conviction to actually stand up and say this "

I fully understand the social and national taboos that may block the average TC from saying this. But it was tabled yesterday officially by Talat. The remainder of his points, nine in all, were in the framework of a solution and could be discussed by the GC side. This sudden demand of free access to Cyprus for 70 million mainland Turks goes beyond the settler issue and brings in a new factor which no GC can accept.

As for the settler issue it has been said many times in the past, those that married TCs take Cypriot nationality. The rest cannot be allowed to displace Cypriots. I am still amazed that while much is made of the settler issue no one speaks of the TCs forced to migrate and live away from the island. How about some incentives for those people to return, BEFORE we show "humanitarian concern" for non Cypriot settlers?

[B25]

This sudden demand of free access to Cyprus for 70 million mainland Turks

Totally unacceptabe, but I would accept this if the UK, Germany, France, Spain and all the other EU countries accepted this BEFORE Turkey was admitted to the EU (if ever).

Whats good for the goose has to be good for the gander.

Turkification has taken a new direction, they cannot get them in the way they have been trying for the last 36 years, so now they try to dupe us with silly pre-conditions, WTF.

If our government ever accepted this, we would deserve everything we got. I hope they have the brains to see throught this kniving offer from the Turks.

God Help us all!

[BirKibrisli]

Enjoy you lemon pudding while reading this:

"Remains of 13 martyrs, who were killed by Greek Cypriots in the village of Alaminos during the 1974 Peace Operation, laid to rest today with a military ceremony."

I don't know where you get the gall to post the story of a mere 13 people killed during your "Peace Operation" while other Turkish Cypriots happily took part in the killing of 5,000 Greek Cypriots!

sorry ,I forgot that robots only go by numbers....It takes humans with compassion in their hearts to feel for even one innocent person killed in any senseless act of violence..Keep up the good work GR/Oracle,Partition is getting closer by the day...No one is safe in any democracy with you in it....

You’re like a Nazi during WWII, disgruntled that Jews managed to butcher 100 Germans!

No no...You are like a very pompous and arrogant Israeli now,arguing that you could not possibly worry about the killing of a few thousand Palestinians,just a drop in the Jewish holocaust ocean....

If you were a little more factual, and less prone to fantasy, you would realise there is no analogy outrageous and atrocious enough to describe what Turkey has enacted on the GCs and continues to do, still ... giving full license to those, like you, who swell with pride in their imagined past miseries that now they deserve these GAINS.

You still havent told me what my GAINS are...My family lost everything in the South,and I had to leave my beloved country...What GAINS have I had???

[BirKibrisli]

Mr Ed said:

"I do not accept this freedom of movement for Turkish citizens as part of the solution, and you have stated that the majority of TCs do not want this either, but no TC on this forum appears to have the courage of conviction to actually stand up and say this "

I fully understand the social and national taboos that may block the average TC from saying this. But it was tabled yesterday officially by Talat. The remainder of his points, nine in all, were in the framework of a solution and could be discussed by the GC side. This sudden demand of free access to Cyprus for 70 million mainland Turks goes beyond the settler issue and brings in a new factor which no GC can accept.

As for the settler issue it has been said many times in the past, those that married TCs take Cypriot nationality. The rest cannot be allowed to displace Cypriots. I am still amazed that while much is made of the settler issue no one speaks of the TCs forced to migrate and live away from the island. How about some incentives for those people to return, BEFORE we show "humanitarian concern" for non Cypriot settlers?

You hit the nail on the head,Nikitas...
We must look after our own first,before being too generous with our settlers...I have said this many times,the biggest mistake they made in the trnc was to give the settlers the vote,hence taking away the last remaining political power of the TCs...Today the settlers can decide any question in the North,they are in the majority...having said that,we must of course treat them with compassion and make sure humanitarian values are upheld in deciding who goes and who stays...But the majority of the settlers need to be repatriated after a solution to give the Cypriots a real chance of building their own nation...The process which was strangled at birth in 1963...

[Malapapa]

Mr Ed said:

"I do not accept this freedom of movement for Turkish citizens as part of the solution, and you have stated that the majority of TCs do not want this either, but no TC on this forum appears to have the courage of conviction to actually stand up and say this "

I fully understand the social and national taboos that may block the average TC from saying this. But it was tabled yesterday officially by Talat. The remainder of his points, nine in all, were in the framework of a solution and could be discussed by the GC side. This sudden demand of free access to Cyprus for 70 million mainland Turks goes beyond the settler issue and brings in a new factor which no GC can accept.

As for the settler issue it has been said many times in the past, those that married TCs take Cypriot nationality. The rest cannot be allowed to displace Cypriots. I am still amazed that while much is made of the settler issue no one speaks of the TCs forced to migrate and live away from the island. How about some incentives for those people to return, BEFORE we show "humanitarian concern" for non Cypriot settlers?

You hit the nail on the head,Nikitas...
We must look after our own first,before being too generous with our settlers...I have said this many times,the biggest mistake they made in the trnc was to give the settlers the vote,hence taking away the last remaining political power of the TCs...Today the settlers can decide any question in the North,they are in the majority...having said that,we must of course treat them with compassion and make sure humanitarian values are upheld in deciding who goes and who stays...But the majority of the settlers need to be repatriated after a solution to give the Cypriots a real chance of building their own nation...The process which was strangled at birth in 1963...

The birth was in 1960... it was induced, and it was an abortion.

[BirKibrisli]

Mr Ed said:

"I do not accept this freedom of movement for Turkish citizens as part of the solution, and you have stated that the majority of TCs do not want this either, but no TC on this forum appears to have the courage of conviction to actually stand up and say this "

I fully understand the social and national taboos that may block the average TC from saying this. But it was tabled yesterday officially by Talat. The remainder of his points, nine in all, were in the framework of a solution and could be discussed by the GC side. This sudden demand of free access to Cyprus for 70 million mainland Turks goes beyond the settler issue and brings in a new factor which no GC can accept.

As for the settler issue it has been said many times in the past, those that married TCs take Cypriot nationality. The rest cannot be allowed to displace Cypriots. I am still amazed that while much is made of the settler issue no one speaks of the TCs forced to migrate and live away from the island. How about some incentives for those people to return, BEFORE we show "humanitarian concern" for non Cypriot settlers?

You hit the nail on the head,Nikitas...
We must look after our own first,before being too generous with our settlers...I have said this many times,the biggest mistake they made in the trnc was to give the settlers the vote,hence taking away the last remaining political power of the TCs...Today the settlers can decide any question in the North,they are in the majority...having said that,we must of course treat them with compassion and make sure humanitarian values are upheld in deciding who goes and who stays...But the majority of the settlers need to be repatriated after a solution to give the Cypriots a real chance of building their own nation...The process which was strangled at birth in 1963...

The birth was in 1960... it was induced, and it was an abortion.

The process was strangled in 1963...It seems that you people are more concerned about scoring silly points in pseudo arguments than address the essentials of any post....I am wasting my time again...Enjoy your road to partition,MP...may you score very many points and prove how clever you are to the whole Forum along the way...

[Paphitis]

This sudden demand of free access to Cyprus for 70 million mainland Turks goes beyond the settler issue and brings in a new factor which no GC can accept.

Are you serious?

As for the settler issue it has been said many times in the past, those that married TCs take Cypriot nationality. The rest cannot be allowed to displace Cypriots. I am still amazed that while much is made of the settler issue no one speaks of the TCs forced to migrate and live away from the island. How about some incentives for those people to return, BEFORE we show "humanitarian concern" for non Cypriot settlers?

Will these incentives also extend towards those GCs who were also forced to migrate for whatever reason, many as a result of being displaced persons, to also return?

I agree with everything above. The rights of the diaspora, GC and TC, should be paramount, whilst the Turkish Settlers should somehow be humanely relocated back to Turkey unless they married a TC and have had children in Cyprus.