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[growuptcs]

And DTA its not what you or any Turk claims, its what you can prove in court. What can you prove in court again, I forgot? because you sound convincing to an outsider.....(not)

[DTA]

Tell me DTA, what do my comments say about me? How can you say that I'm stuck in the past? You just make shit up as you go along with the rest of the freaks that keep the north isolated. Why do you say go back to Greece? I have no ties whatsoever to Greece. So don't you feel like a Turk now?

BTW you dont believe that he was shot at? well I dont believe that you or your family are refugees... so there

I have proof that my family and I are refugees on paper, while your girlfriend can just pick a bullet up off the floor and claim that was the bullet that almost killed her.

you say that you have. prove It, scan the kochan and upload it otherwise I will not believe you just as you will not believe the yman.

What does your post say about you? Well it says that you are a racist that believes that a tc should go back to turkey. Well you go back to Greece first, because yfred is likely to have as much ties to turkey as you are to Greece.

[Oracle]

Tell me DTA, what do my comments say about me? How can you say that I'm stuck in the past? You just make shit up as you go along with the rest of the freaks that keep the north isolated. Why do you say go back to Greece? I have no ties whatsoever to Greece. So don't you feel like a Turk now?

BTW you dont believe that he was shot at? well I dont believe that you or your family are refugees... so there

I have proof that my family and I are refugees on paper, while your girlfriend can just pick a bullet up off the floor and claim that was the bullet that almost killed her.

you say that you have. prove It, scan the kochan and upload it otherwise I will not believe you just as you will not believe the yman.

What does your post say about you? Well it says that you are a racist that believes that a tc should go back to turkey. Well you go back to Greece first, because yfred is likely to have as much ties to turkey as you are to Greece.

Why can't you get it through your thick Turkish skull that every Greek has a right to live in Cyprus, if not by virtue of thousands of years of established rights, then by virtue of EU-sisterhood.

Now, take your Turkish brothers and bugger off because none of you, under the present circumstances of treason toward the RoC have ANY rights to be in Cyprus!

[growuptcs]

Tell me DTA, what do my comments say about me? How can you say that I'm stuck in the past? You just make shit up as you go along with the rest of the freaks that keep the north isolated. Why do you say go back to Greece? I have no ties whatsoever to Greece. So don't you feel like a Turk now?

BTW you dont believe that he was shot at? well I dont believe that you or your family are refugees... so there

I have proof that my family and I are refugees on paper, while your girlfriend can just pick a bullet up off the floor and claim that was the bullet that almost killed her.

you say that you have. prove It, scan the kochan and upload it otherwise I will not believe you just as you will not believe the yman.

What does your post say about you? Well it says that you are a racist that believes that a tc should go back to turkey. Well you go back to Greece first, because yfred is likely to have as much ties to turkey as you are to Greece.

I don't have to prove anything to any imposter, especially one who's been living off handouts and no form of education. I'll take it up in court. Why do you need proof for anyway? What kind of Turkish point are you trying to make now?

[DTA]

Glad you are going to court so are we.

[DTA]

Oracle all you have to do is persuade the roc to agree that we have no rights in Cyprus

[growuptcs]

Glad you are going to court so are we.

It's about time. I hope we can both get closure.

[BirKibrisli]

The price is the acceptance of the TC's red lines...If you don't pay this price you will kiss goodbye to 37% of Cyprus...

If I may interject here, Bir. The TCs so called "Red Lines" are to keep 29% of the north to become "Turkish Land" only and become independent sovereign EU state with a simple majority vote in the north to seek their own "self determination" when ever they want, keep the Turkish Guarantors and troops, keep all of the settlers, become 50% partner with the RoC, have a veto power, have their own FIR, and so on. So, do you expect the GCs to accept return of 8% of land and agree to all of the above TCs "Red Lines" so to make it legal from what it's illegal today, or else the GCs will "pay the price" and lose all 37%.???

Well, let me venture a guess here and say, that the GCs would say to the TCs and Turkey,"in your dreams, pal".!

Why would the GCs for the sake of 8% land returned officially lose the other 29%, and lose their leverage by keeping the north illegal, politically unrecognised, and economically deprived.??

Why would they do such a thing, that would free Turkey to continue with her EU chapters and accession talks and if she should make it , then come and flood the RoC with more Turks legally this time around.??

Why would they want to share everything with the TCs, when in fact, the TCs would have a veto vote over them, and feel like they have lost the remaining 63% of the island to the TCs and the Turks, just to risk getting 8% land back.

Well, I don't believe they will want that 8% and risk the whole house. They would just keep the status quo going as it is now, and keep the 37% illegal, politically unrecognised and economically deprived. Keep Turkey out of the EU, and continue winning EU court cases against the TCs and the Turks, all the while keep enjoying the recognition of the RoC and it's economic success. They can afford to wait the Turks and the TCs out, because the last 36 years has shown, that while the RoC gets stronger with time, the "trnc" gets weaker. So, I don't think the 8% is enough of an incentive to risk losing 100% of Cyprus.

Perhaps I'm wrong and that the GCs are willing to do all of the above and accept all the so called TCs "Red Lines" just so to lose 100% of Cyprus to Turkey.!!.

What you are talking about are not the TCs' red lines ,Kikapu...They are the TCs negotiation points...There are only 2 TC red lines as far as I can see...One,Turkey's right of guarantee and some Troop presence. Two,safeguarding the TC political majority in the North...Everything else is negotiable...And I believe you are wrong to say Time is working against Turkey...You are all mistaken when you think Turkey wants to get into the EU...They don't...They pretend to keep the army off their backs...
The status quo serves Turkey's interests perfectly...Partition has been achieved,albeit de facto at this stage...With the passing of time,the settlers will become "Turks of Cyprus" along with everybody else...The population in the trnc is already pushing the 600,000 mark...Give it another 25 years,and what kind of a solution would accommodate these "Turks of Cyprus" then???

You know as well as I do,the average TC does not give a damn about the treat of assimilation into the mainland Turkish society and culture..I'd say that most even welcome it...That way they can have their cake and eat it too...And don't believe the GC propaganda that the TCs are starving in the North...They are doing okey,thank you very much...And with cheap settler labour to take care of all their daily requirements,they are sitting pretty...There is the cummulative stress of the uncertainty of their situation,but that is just as much on the GCs...

It is time the GCs got down to earth and faced some realities...Their Enosis dream was the germinal reason for the mess we are in now...They tried it again and again,and they failed miserably...They must accept this now,and instead of trying once more to force the TCs to bend to their will,they must pay the price of their folly...The price is Turkish guarantee,and safeguards for the TC political majority in the North...That's all...The rest is all negotiable...You would do a better service to our GC compatriots if you tried to make them see this,instead of reinforcing their present democracy and human rights argument which have no chance of suceeding with Turkey and the TCs...The GC community that turned a blind eye to the pain and suffering of their TC minority, in miserable enclaves for 11 long years,cannot be taken seriously now when they talk about those same values they tore down and danced upon not so long ago...You tell them that,they will listen to you...

[Get Real!]

The price is the acceptance of the TC's red lines...If you don't pay this price you will kiss goodbye to 37% of Cyprus...

If I may interject here, Bir. The TCs so called "Red Lines" are to keep 29% of the north to become "Turkish Land" only and become independent sovereign EU state with a simple majority vote in the north to seek their own "self determination" when ever they want, keep the Turkish Guarantors and troops, keep all of the settlers, become 50% partner with the RoC, have a veto power, have their own FIR, and so on. So, do you expect the GCs to accept return of 8% of land and agree to all of the above TCs "Red Lines" so to make it legal from what it's illegal today, or else the GCs will "pay the price" and lose all 37%.???

Well, let me venture a guess here and say, that the GCs would say to the TCs and Turkey,"in your dreams, pal".!

Why would the GCs for the sake of 8% land returned officially lose the other 29%, and lose their leverage by keeping the north illegal, politically unrecognised, and economically deprived.??

Why would they do such a thing, that would free Turkey to continue with her EU chapters and accession talks and if she should make it , then come and flood the RoC with more Turks legally this time around.??

Why would they want to share everything with the TCs, when in fact, the TCs would have a veto vote over them, and feel like they have lost the remaining 63% of the island to the TCs and the Turks, just to risk getting 8% land back.

Well, I don't believe they will want that 8% and risk the whole house. They would just keep the status quo going as it is now, and keep the 37% illegal, politically unrecognised and economically deprived. Keep Turkey out of the EU, and continue winning EU court cases against the TCs and the Turks, all the while keep enjoying the recognition of the RoC and it's economic success. They can afford to wait the Turks and the TCs out, because the last 36 years has shown, that while the RoC gets stronger with time, the "trnc" gets weaker. So, I don't think the 8% is enough of an incentive to risk losing 100% of Cyprus.

Perhaps I'm wrong and that the GCs are willing to do all of the above and accept all the so called TCs "Red Lines" just so to lose 100% of Cyprus to Turkey.!!.

What you are talking about are not the TCs' red lines ,Kikapu...They are the TCs negotiation points...There are only 2 TC red lines as far as I can see...One,Turkey's right of guarantee and some Troop presence. Two,safeguarding the TC political majority in the North...Everything else is negotiable...And I believe you are wrong to say Time is working against Turkey...You are all mistaken when you think Turkey wants to get into the EU...They don't...They pretend to keep the army off their backs...
The status quo serves Turkey's interests perfectly...Partition has been achieved,albeit de facto at this stage...With the passing of time,the settlers will become "Turks of Cyprus" along with everybody else...The population in the trnc is already pushing the 600,000 mark...Give it another 25 years,and what kind of a solution would accommodate these "Turks of Cyprus" then???

You know as well as I do,the average TC does not give a damn about the treat of assimilation into the mainland Turkish society and culture..I'd say that most even welcome it...That way they can have their cake and eat it too...And don't believe the GC propaganda that the TCs are starving in the North...They are doing okey,thank you very much...And with cheap settler labour to take care of all their daily requirements,they are sitting pretty...There is the cummulative stress of the uncertainty of their situation,but that is just as much on the GCs...

It is time the GCs got down to earth and faced some realities...Their Enosis dream was the germinal reason for the mess we are in now...They tried it again and again,and they failed miserably...They must accept this now,and instead of trying once more to force the TCs to bend to their will,they must pay the price of their folly...The price is Turkish guarantee,and safeguards for the TC political majority in the North...That's all...The rest is all negotiable...You would do a better service to our GC compatriots if you tried to make them see this,instead of reinforcing their present democracy and human rights argument which have no chance of suceeding with Turkey and the TCs...The GC community that turned a blind eye to the pain and suffering of their TC minority, in miserable enclaves for 11 long years,cannot be taken seriously now when they talk about those same values they tore down and danced upon not so long ago...You tell them that,they will listen to you...

Sorry Kikapu, but most Turkish Cypriots are just plain stupid as demonstrated here by Bir! He doesn’t get it and he never will…

[BirKibrisli]

The price is the acceptance of the TC's red lines...If you don't pay this price you will kiss goodbye to 37% of Cyprus...

If I may interject here, Bir. The TCs so called "Red Lines" are to keep 29% of the north to become "Turkish Land" only and become independent sovereign EU state with a simple majority vote in the north to seek their own "self determination" when ever they want, keep the Turkish Guarantors and troops, keep all of the settlers, become 50% partner with the RoC, have a veto power, have their own FIR, and so on. So, do you expect the GCs to accept return of 8% of land and agree to all of the above TCs "Red Lines" so to make it legal from what it's illegal today, or else the GCs will "pay the price" and lose all 37%.???

Well, let me venture a guess here and say, that the GCs would say to the TCs and Turkey,"in your dreams, pal".!

Why would the GCs for the sake of 8% land returned officially lose the other 29%, and lose their leverage by keeping the north illegal, politically unrecognised, and economically deprived.??

Why would they do such a thing, that would free Turkey to continue with her EU chapters and accession talks and if she should make it , then come and flood the RoC with more Turks legally this time around.??

Why would they want to share everything with the TCs, when in fact, the TCs would have a veto vote over them, and feel like they have lost the remaining 63% of the island to the TCs and the Turks, just to risk getting 8% land back.

Well, I don't believe they will want that 8% and risk the whole house. They would just keep the status quo going as it is now, and keep the 37% illegal, politically unrecognised and economically deprived. Keep Turkey out of the EU, and continue winning EU court cases against the TCs and the Turks, all the while keep enjoying the recognition of the RoC and it's economic success. They can afford to wait the Turks and the TCs out, because the last 36 years has shown, that while the RoC gets stronger with time, the "trnc" gets weaker. So, I don't think the 8% is enough of an incentive to risk losing 100% of Cyprus.

Perhaps I'm wrong and that the GCs are willing to do all of the above and accept all the so called TCs "Red Lines" just so to lose 100% of Cyprus to Turkey.!!.

What you are talking about are not the TCs' red lines ,Kikapu...They are the TCs negotiation points...There are only 2 TC red lines as far as I can see...One,Turkey's right of guarantee and some Troop presence. Two,safeguarding the TC political majority in the North...Everything else is negotiable...And I believe you are wrong to say Time is working against Turkey...You are all mistaken when you think Turkey wants to get into the EU...They don't...They pretend to keep the army off their backs...
The status quo serves Turkey's interests perfectly...Partition has been achieved,albeit de facto at this stage...With the passing of time,the settlers will become "Turks of Cyprus" along with everybody else...The population in the trnc is already pushing the 600,000 mark...Give it another 25 years,and what kind of a solution would accommodate these "Turks of Cyprus" then???

You know as well as I do,the average TC does not give a damn about the treat of assimilation into the mainland Turkish society and culture..I'd say that most even welcome it...That way they can have their cake and eat it too...And don't believe the GC propaganda that the TCs are starving in the North...They are doing okey,thank you very much...And with cheap settler labour to take care of all their daily requirements,they are sitting pretty...There is the cummulative stress of the uncertainty of their situation,but that is just as much on the GCs...

It is time the GCs got down to earth and faced some realities...Their Enosis dream was the germinal reason for the mess we are in now...They tried it again and again,and they failed miserably...They must accept this now,and instead of trying once more to force the TCs to bend to their will,they must pay the price of their folly...The price is Turkish guarantee,and safeguards for the TC political majority in the North...That's all...The rest is all negotiable...You would do a better service to our GC compatriots if you tried to make them see this,instead of reinforcing their present democracy and human rights argument which have no chance of suceeding with Turkey and the TCs...The GC community that turned a blind eye to the pain and suffering of their TC minority, in miserable enclaves for 11 long years,cannot be taken seriously now when they talk about those same values they tore down and danced upon not so long ago...You tell them that,they will listen to you...

Sorry Kikapu, but most Turkish Cypriots are just plain stupid as demonstrated here by Bir! He doesn’t get it and he never will…

And you think yourself very intelligent I suppose...
I don't want to get your snake oil,but with your level of intelligence,you will one day get what is coming to you...History-denial and repetition of insults will only get you into more and more trouble...If only your alcohol-soaked feeble brain could see that...