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Postby miltiades » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:29 am

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Bananiot wrote:This tragic woman writes a book to tell her story of how she lost her husband and Piratis has an issue with this and claims that she should write about atrocities that happened before the 1960's. This is madness my friend from America and frankly, I do not see your point either because Cyprus is not the handful of people that write in this forum and it would be very bad science to draw conclusions from a few responses.
You do not see the point because you are too blinded by the appetizers and booze they were serving at this function....I have family members that were massacred in the invasion of 74, one of my cousins was dug up from a mass grave not too long ago, there were emotions at his burial and speeches...whats your point Bananiot? At the dna testing center at Nicosia's airport they were shown the bodies of Turkish Cypriots dug up from another mass grave......im sure there were emotions and speeches at these peoples burial also......The one point that you miss and it will be blunt and i hope you understand it, is that my cousins's burial was not allowed to be broadcast in the occuppied areas, neither were the burials for the Turkish Cypriots broadcast on ROC media.........Without a solution to the Cyprus problem the impact of these events only highlights the propaganda that each side dishes out to its people that the other side is bad.....Both sides are using this issue to forment and divide Cyprus not bring both people together........

You are correct in saying that both sides ought to come open and admit that their own brand of fanatics was no better than the others .
As one who for many decades now have accepted the terrible deeds committed by both sides I suggest that we start by declaring a day of remembrance for Cypriots who lost their lives in the conflict , a day that would be honoured by both sides .
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:38 am

Bananiot wrote:This tragic woman writes a book to tell her story of how she lost her husband and Piratis has an issue with this and claims that she should write about atrocities that happened before the 1960's. This is madness my friend from America and frankly, I do not see your point either because Cyprus is not the handful of people that write in this forum and it would be very bad science to draw conclusions from a few responses.


I'm certain that there is not one single GC that does not feel sorrow for this tragedy.

But the issue is this. Why is there a Bi-Communal Initiative of Relatives of Missing Persons, Victims of massacres and other Victims of events 1963-74? Why are the GC Bi Communal victims of 1958 ignored?

Why not include all victims from 1958-1974? It would be much better if this was the case. Then we can eliminate any cynicism as to the politicisation of these organisations.
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Postby Acikgoz » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:20 am

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wyoming cowboy wrote:
Bananiot wrote:This tragic woman writes a book to tell her story of how she lost her husband and Piratis has an issue with this and claims that she should write about atrocities that happened before the 1960's. This is madness my friend from America and frankly, I do not see your point either because Cyprus is not the handful of people that write in this forum and it would be very bad science to draw conclusions from a few responses.
You do not see the point because you are too blinded by the appetizers and booze they were serving at this function....I have family members that were massacred in the invasion of 74, one of my cousins was dug up from a mass grave not too long ago, there were emotions at his burial and speeches...whats your point Bananiot? At the dna testing center at Nicosia's airport they were shown the bodies of Turkish Cypriots dug up from another mass grave......im sure there were emotions and speeches at these peoples burial also......The one point that you miss and it will be blunt and i hope you understand it, is that my cousins's burial was not allowed to be broadcast in the occuppied areas, neither were the burials for the Turkish Cypriots broadcast on ROC media.........Without a solution to the Cyprus problem the impact of these events only highlights the propaganda that each side dishes out to its people that the other side is bad.....Both sides are using this issue to forment and divide Cyprus not bring both people together........

You are correct in saying that both sides ought to come open and admit that their own brand of fanatics was no better than the others .
As one who for many decades now have accepted the terrible deeds committed by both sides I suggest that we start by declaring a day of remembrance for Cypriots who lost their lives in the conflict , a day that would be honoured by both sides .

Whatever the political implication, this can go a long way to heal the wounds that are constantly ripped open each time culpability for the pain caused is denied.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:12 am

Bananiot wrote:This tragic woman writes a book to tell her story of how she lost her husband and Piratis has an issue with this and claims that she should write about atrocities that happened before the 1960's. This is madness my friend from America and frankly, I do not see your point either because Cyprus is not the handful of people that write in this forum and it would be very bad science to draw conclusions from a few responses.


What I said has nothing to do with her book. It has to do with the name of the initiative which includes only the events of 63-74, and excludes the 58-59 period.

From what I understand her book is just about 1974, since this woman lost her husband during the war that Turkey started against Cyprus in that year. Therefore the book has nothing to do with the name of the initiative, or else the initiative would just be about 74, not about 63-74.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:35 am

1974 when her loss occured was a result of the events from 1963 when everything broke down.
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Postby Acikgoz » Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:40 am

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Bananiot wrote:This tragic woman writes a book to tell her story of how she lost her husband and Piratis has an issue with this and claims that she should write about atrocities that happened before the 1960's. This is madness my friend from America and frankly, I do not see your point either because Cyprus is not the handful of people that write in this forum and it would be very bad science to draw conclusions from a few responses.


What I said has nothing to do with her book. It has to do with the name of the initiative which includes only the events of 63-74, and excludes the 58-59 period.

From what I understand her book is just about 1974, since this woman lost her husband during the war that Turkey started against Cyprus in that year. Therefore the book has nothing to do with the name of the initiative, or else the initiative would just be about 74, not about 63-74.

Piri - you really are a loser. How many non-partisan initiatives have you brought forward to attempt bring closure to heal the wounds?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:50 pm

Bananiot wrote:Bloody hell!


Bloody hell,indeed ,dear Bananiot!!!

Some people seem to be threatened for some reason when any attempt is made to build empathy and compassion amongst Cypriots...Instead of looking at the full half of the glass they prefer to look at the empty half...

They do not realise they are diminishing themselves as human beings...Human memory and conscience are as big as a sea...We can store a whole human life in our memory,and our conscience is large and strong enough to allow us to show empathy and compassion for others... All of us except those who are challenged in both memory and conscience department...What a pity! :cry:
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Postby denizaksulu » Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:15 pm

Piratis wrote:Are the relatives of the victims of massacres during the events of 1958-1959 not invited?

It is true that that most GC deaths and missing are a result of the 1974 invasion. We also had casualties between 63 - 68. But 100s of people died in the events of 58-59 as well. Why are those people being ignored?





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Postby denizaksulu » Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:18 pm

Bananiot wrote:That is so sick Piratis. You have no idea what you are saying. The invitation is open to all Cypriots and even a sick individual like you can attend. Instead of praising the spirit of these people for their reconciliation efforts after having suffered so much, you talk your usual rubbish like a stuck gramophone needle.



Piratis will always be pratis. He will get his come-uppance one day.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:10 pm

Bananiot wrote:This tragic woman writes a book to tell her story of how she lost her husband and Piratis has an issue with this and claims that she should write about atrocities that happened before the 1960's. This is madness my friend from America and frankly, I do not see your point either because Cyprus is not the handful of people that write in this forum and it would be very bad science to draw conclusions from a few responses.
You do not see the point because you are too blinded by the appetizers and booze they were serving at this function....I have family members that were massacred in the invasion of 74, one of my cousins was dug up from a mass grave not too long ago, there were emotions at his burial and speeches...whats your point Bananiot? At the dna testing center at Nicosia's airport they were shown the bodies of Turkish Cypriots dug up from another mass grave......im sure there were emotions and speeches at these peoples burial also......The one point that you miss and it will be blunt and i hope you understand it, is that my cousins's burial was not allowed to be broadcast in the occuppied areas, neither were the burials for the Turkish Cypriots broadcast on ROC media.........Without a solution to the Cyprus problem the impact of these events only highlights the propaganda that each side dishes out to its people that the other side is bad.....Both sides are using this issue to forment and divide Cyprus not bring both people together........
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