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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:57 pm

Piratis wrote:The video I posted talks about 100 victims, and this is supported by the evidence.

In addition to the video here is a good article to start:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -2,00.html

And here are some evidence from the official British records about the murders and about how broadcasts from Turkey were inciting the TCs to start the inter-communal conflict:

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 10_HOC_103

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

And here is how the TCs started to lie about their own casualties from the very beginning of the conflict they started. If we go with what Kucuk was saying, in the late 50s there were 1000s of casualties, not just 100.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 24_HOC_223


And the above is just from June 1958.

If you want next week I will post a lot more facts and evidence. But since you are asking for me to go in this trouble, I would also like to see independent evidence for the casualties of TCs during the conflict, particularly for the period 1968 until July 1974. It is obvious to me that in those years there was much less conflict and casualties than in 1958. And still you want to include those years in the inter-communal conflict while you want to exclude 1958 when you started the conflict.

It is time for the Turkish propagandists to stop lying that the inter-communal conflict started in 1963 and that there was no problem until then. The conflict started in the late 50s by the TCs themselves because conflict and division is what served their aim of partition.



Thank you P. So far I counted 6 GCs killed plus those at Geunyeli =14.

I appreciate that one is too many but we are still far from your 'exagerated' 200. I also accept that the numbers killed on the TC side are slightly exagerated. Where are the other 180 or so GCs killed?

As for the incitement that goes for both sides.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:47 pm

I didn't say "200" and I was not talking about just GC casualties.

What I am saying, which is evident from the facts, is that the inter-communal conflict was started by the TCs in 1958. We are not only talking about murders of innocents, but also about burning homes and shops of GCs. This conflict was planned in Ankara, inciting the TCs to act in this way against GCs with radio broadcasts and the TMT.

The exaggerated numbers are those that the TC side gives. In those particular incidents 2 TCs were killed (and it is not even certain that they were killed by GCs) and Kucuk was talking about 1000s of casualties!! (and it is obvious why he was lying: Because he wanted the TCs to go and kill even more GCs to revenge those imaginary 1000s of TC casualties)

As I said I can provide more evidence about casualties in this period, but I also expect from you to provide independent evidence about the TC casualties from 1968 until 20 July 1974 (the day of the Turkish invasion). Then we can compare 1958 with say 1973.

Then you will see why the inter-communal conflict was actually during 1958-1968 and not 1963-1974.

It is clear why the Turkish propaganda wants to falsify the historical truth. First they want to hide the fact that it is the TCs that started the inter-communal conflict in 1958, so they erase that part of history and claim that the conflict started in 1963. And while the inter-communal conflict was basically over by 1968, the Turks like to extent this period until 1974, in order to connect that conflict with their invasion, and make the claim that they invaded to "save the TCs".
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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:26 pm

Here is a Times article from June 8 1958

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The TCs in this forum many times claimed that "the problem didn't start in 1974". We accepted this fact and we recognized their casualties and our responsibilities.

It is about time for the TCs to recognize the fact that the problem didn't start in 1963 either, and accept their responsibility for starting the conflict in the late 50s.

Partition was the plan of Turkey (and probably the UK) and the the inter-communal conflict was the first step of the partition plan. The TCs were manipulated and driven to attack the GCs, and the GCs fall in the trap and retaliated and in this way the foreign Imperialists got the inter-communal conflict they wanted. (soon after they started drawing lines and raising barricades - the first steps of dividing Cyprus)
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:01 pm

One could just as well ask why certain bashers here are ignoring the fact that there was intercommunal conflict before 1958? What about the so-called "Djoumada incident" in Limassol of 1912 when open conflict in the streets between Greek and Turkish Cypriots left five dead? Just because one condemns the killing of 1958 it does not necessarily follow that one is condoning the killing of 1912.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:54 pm

Wasnt 1960 supposed to be a fresh start, the turning point when we had the opportunity to rule ourselves? thats why feel that the eruption after this date is the focal point of the current situation.
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:14 am

Re the casualties of 1958. The figures I have come across are 58 dead in the attack of Omorfita.

One of the biggest shocks I personally recall was seeing a middle aged GC who had been attacked with butcher knives in Omorfita. He came to our area near Lokmaci to stay with his daughter and he had these huge scabs all over his arms. He was unlucky though, a few days later we got attacked, while under curfew and these attacks went on all through that summer. The man moved again, I think to Kyperounta on the mountains.
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Postby humanist » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:24 am

I think this is a chapter in Cypriot culture we have to close ...................... kiss and make up ................ life is short and we are wasting precious time to rebuild
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:52 am

I agree with you 100 percent "humanist", if we sit here waiting for the other side to admit to their past will never happen, and if one side does then the other will try to take advantage and both sides know this so ultimately no side will admit anything...Ive said it before, unless there is an agreement/solution, where the platform has changed from the status quo, the past will never get its just due, Trust from both sides for a catharsis of the past will only come then not before
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:22 am

humanist wrote:I think this is a chapter in Cypriot culture we have to close ...................... kiss and make up ................ life is short and we are wasting precious time to rebuild



I am ready are you? ( or Mr Piratis? )
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:59 am

YES WE CAN.....AMIGO YES WE CAN!!!!!
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