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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:06 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Wasnt 1960 supposed to be a fresh start, the turning point when we had the opportunity to rule ourselves? thats why feel that the eruption after this date is the focal point of the current situation.


1960 was not a fresh start since it was something forced on Cypriots by foreign imperialists and it maintained the divisions and antagonism between GCs and TCs.


You will always claim this as it did not serve your desire for enosis, its the only binding agreement you have and cherish today, it was a step in the right direction to start a fresh and build a Cypriot nation, yet you do not see it as a wipe the slate clean situation and even before your signature could dry you renegged and did everything in your power to enforce what you wanted, the rest is history.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:07 pm

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wyoming cowboy wrote:I agree with you 100 percent "humanist", if we sit here waiting for the other side to admit to their past will never happen, and if one side does then the other will try to take advantage and both sides know this so ultimately no side will admit anything...Ive said it before, unless there is an agreement/solution, where the platform has changed from the status quo, the past will never get its just due, Trust from both sides for a catharsis of the past will only come then not before


And how do we do it?
Very simple agree to a true Federal Republic where everyones rights are guaranteed...
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Postby Piratis » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:17 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Wasnt 1960 supposed to be a fresh start, the turning point when we had the opportunity to rule ourselves? thats why feel that the eruption after this date is the focal point of the current situation.


1960 was not a fresh start since it was something forced on Cypriots by foreign imperialists and it maintained the divisions and antagonism between GCs and TCs.


You will always claim this as it did not serve your desire for enosis, its the only binding agreement you have and cherish today, it was a step in the right direction to start a fresh and build a Cypriot nation, yet you do not see it as a wipe the slate clean situation and even before your signature could dry you renegged and did everything in your power to enforce what you wanted, the rest is history.


It was a step in the wrong direction, not the right one, and a result of brute force used by foreign Imperialists against the Cypriot people.

This is why the problem which existed already was not solved and therefore it was not a "fresh start" as you claim.

This is why this time we should not accept anything even worst, no matter how much we are blackmailed by foreign invaders. We should insist on what should have been given to Cyprus from 1960: Democracy, human rights, and equality for all Cypriots without racist discrimination.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:17 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:I agree with you 100 percent "humanist", if we sit here waiting for the other side to admit to their past will never happen, and if one side does then the other will try to take advantage and both sides know this so ultimately no side will admit anything...Ive said it before, unless there is an agreement/solution, where the platform has changed from the status quo, the past will never get its just due, Trust from both sides for a catharsis of the past will only come then not before


And how do we do it?
Very simple agree to a true Federal Republic where everyones rights are guaranteed...


Your version and my version dont match.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:47 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:I agree with you 100 percent "humanist", if we sit here waiting for the other side to admit to their past will never happen, and if one side does then the other will try to take advantage and both sides know this so ultimately no side will admit anything...Ive said it before, unless there is an agreement/solution, where the platform has changed from the status quo, the past will never get its just due, Trust from both sides for a catharsis of the past will only come then not before


And how do we do it?
Very simple agree to a true Federal Republic where everyones rights are guaranteed...


Your version and my version dont match.
If your version included civil and human rights to ALL citizens of Cyprus then it would..
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:12 am

wyoming cowboy wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:I agree with you 100 percent "humanist", if we sit here waiting for the other side to admit to their past will never happen, and if one side does then the other will try to take advantage and both sides know this so ultimately no side will admit anything...Ive said it before, unless there is an agreement/solution, where the platform has changed from the status quo, the past will never get its just due, Trust from both sides for a catharsis of the past will only come then not before


And how do we do it?
Very simple agree to a true Federal Republic where everyones rights are guaranteed...


Your version and my version dont match.
If your version included civil and human rights to ALL citizens of Cyprus then it would..


You know my version it was backed by the UN and most of the world.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:24 am

Civil rights and human rights not aparteid......You have no faith in the future of Cyprus and its people
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Postby DT. » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:00 am

Viewpoint wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:I agree with you 100 percent "humanist", if we sit here waiting for the other side to admit to their past will never happen, and if one side does then the other will try to take advantage and both sides know this so ultimately no side will admit anything...Ive said it before, unless there is an agreement/solution, where the platform has changed from the status quo, the past will never get its just due, Trust from both sides for a catharsis of the past will only come then not before


And how do we do it?
Very simple agree to a true Federal Republic where everyones rights are guaranteed...


Your version and my version dont match.
If your version included civil and human rights to ALL citizens of Cyprus then it would..


You know my version it was backed by the UN and most of the world.

No it doesn't. You said so yourself you voted NO for the Annan Plan.
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:50 pm

DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:I agree with you 100 percent "humanist", if we sit here waiting for the other side to admit to their past will never happen, and if one side does then the other will try to take advantage and both sides know this so ultimately no side will admit anything...Ive said it before, unless there is an agreement/solution, where the platform has changed from the status quo, the past will never get its just due, Trust from both sides for a catharsis of the past will only come then not before


And how do we do it?
Very simple agree to a true Federal Republic where everyones rights are guaranteed...


Your version and my version dont match.
If your version included civil and human rights to ALL citizens of Cyprus then it would..


You know my version it was backed by the UN and most of the world.

No it doesn't. You said so yourself you voted NO for the Annan Plan.


Really, VP voted "NO" on the AP.?? :? :? :?
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:49 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Wasnt 1960 supposed to be a fresh start, the turning point when we had the opportunity to rule ourselves? thats why feel that the eruption after this date is the focal point of the current situation.


1960 was not a fresh start since it was something forced on Cypriots by foreign imperialists and it maintained the divisions and antagonism between GCs and TCs.


You will always claim this as it did not serve your desire for enosis, its the only binding agreement you have and cherish today, it was a step in the right direction to start a fresh and build a Cypriot nation, yet you do not see it as a wipe the slate clean situation and even before your signature could dry you renegged and did everything in your power to enforce what you wanted, the rest is history.


The truth is that from 1960-1962 the GCs were practically armless whereas it was the TCs who were importing whole shiploads of armaments during the same period.So it is the TCs who started messing everything before their signature got dried. :wink:
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