BirKibrisli wrote:Hi,Kikapu....
Thanks again for your detailed reply...I know you mean very well,but my belief remains : you are not helping the advance towards a solution as you keep repeating the GC arguments,which I am sure you sincerely believe in...You must know that there are tens of thousands of TCs who have gained NOTHING from Cyprob and lost EVERYTHING,hence they are not hanging onto any gains when they cannot bring themselves to trust the GCs to behave properly in a full democracy with or without EU principles...
So your assertion that the TCs do not want a solution because they have too much to lose is very suspect ,to put it mildly...There is something you can do,but you refuse to do it,on principle I know...And that is to point out some of the wrongs the GCs have done to bring us to the present impasse...I respect your decision to stick to your guns,but I reserve the right to remind you every now and then that traumatised people and traumatised communities do not behave in an altruistic manner however much you'd like them to...The factors you and our GC cousins refuse to consider must be acknowledged and addressed satisfactorily before a solution is reached...
Bir,
I am only stating the facts as to where we are today, with what the EU is all about and what the EU will accept for a settlement, Cyprus as a EU member state. It is pointless talking about whether the EU Principles can be trusted by the TCs or not, since that aspect of the settlement requirements has been already answered in 2004, with or without the TCs approval. These are not GCs principles, but the EU's, which the TCs who are also happen to be EU citizens too, who had to have accepted these EU Principles in order to become EU citizens. If the argument is used by the north that the EU Principles cannot be trusted, therefore there cannot be a settlement, then does it not mean that partition is preferred than a settlement, which is what the north/Turkey is threatening to do with if such EU principles are applied.? The fact that such threats are a lot of hot air is another matter. But if partition is preferred over a settlement based on EU Principles, then the north can just about reject ALL solutions based on the EU Principles, because they want to keep the things as they are, just because those who are enjoying the "spoils of war" do not want to give their ill gotten gains back, and I'm not talking about the average TCs who has lost a lot, but their corrupt leaders and the Fascists NeoPartitonist.
However, TCs as EU citizens can't go against the EU Principles since majority have already acquired RoC citizenships and those who have not, most are already EU citizens by having British citizenships as well as any one of the other 26 member EU states. The fact that the north/Turkey accepted a solution based on the AP which violated ALL of the EU Principles in 2004, but refusing to accept a settlement that will be based on the EU Principles, it really does not reflect very positively on the north/Turkey at all, to be seen as only accepting a solution based on Democratic and Human Rights violations, does it?. I can very easily write a lot of "feel good" gestures to make the TCs feel good about their present predicament, and maybe even get a pat on the back from them, even from the Fascists, just for blowing smoke up their skirts/shorts, if in fact I want to become popular for lying to them of the realities, but I choose not to do that, just because I'm not here to compete for some popularity contest. We already have many who are doing that to earn lots of brownie points. I understand the predicaments on CF member(s) who may want to be seen as popular by the Fascists, just because I can see the whole picture of their predicament, which I support them, due to their circumstances, but are they and the rest are really helping the TCs present predicament that they find themselves in.? I really do not think so. It only adds to the decent TCs disappointment more, so I do not apologise for stating what I see as what the course of actions the TCs needs to take in the 21st century in order for them to become an "honest society" from the "corrupted society" their leaders have built for them in the last 37 years.
Having a settlement based on violations of the EU Principles, is only designed to maintain the continuation of that "corrupted society" mentality and actions. We TCs deserve more than that. We deserve to be treated as Equal Citizens who are willing to earn their place in an "honest society" under the EU Principles in a Unified Cyprus. The ones who do not want such a settlement are the corrupted TC leadership and the Fascists NeoPartitonists who are enjoying the "spoils of war". The average TCs are the ones who are denied a decent future for their families by the "cancer" within their own community who are suppressing them. As a result, many have left /are leaving Cyprus. I refuse to become part of this corrupt people who are not interested in building a better future for the decent TCs in Cyprus. If I stand alone (which I'm not) on the Cyprus Forum to push for a better future for the TCs under the EU Principles, then so be it. All I can say is, shame on those who would rather see the TCs to be seen by the world as "The Pirates of the Mediterranean" and lacking respect for Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles. I would rather remain as the "Black Sheep" than blow a lot of hot air up the TCs skirts/shorts, just to make them feel good in their present dire predicaments. I'll leave that for others to do since they are very good at it.!
As for everyone showing empathy and compassion to the TCs in a formal and informal way by officials as well as average people, is not going to happen anytime soon, not while the "war" between Turkey and the RoC is on going, just because every Cypriot have their own horror stories starting from 1960 to present. Making such gestures on high levels by the officials have a lot of legal and political ramifications. The fact that the TC leadership did not respond in kind at all to Christofias' comments on the mistreatment of the TCs in the past, only prevents the GCs to do the same again anytime soon, at least not until an agreement has been reached for a settlement. To expect the contrary, you will only end up being disappointed I'm afraid. Once a Fair & Just settlement has been reached, is when I expect Cypriots to forgive each other of the past events, and hopefully, also forget of the past events sometime in the future, as hard as it may be to do so in the near future.
