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Eroglu Outside The UN Parameters (again) On Citizenship

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Postby quattro » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:34 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:When did the TCs accept joining the EU? can you please show us their signature as need by the 1960 agreements?

Life sucks when you’re a bankrupt minority out of the equation…


Do you have such an agreement...you moved unilaterally which is illegal.

It's illegal under a constitution you declared null & void, abandoned, and replaced!

Now you want to take advantage of both worlds? I don’t think so… :roll:


When did you replace the only internationally recognized constitution?


when the internationally recognised guarantors stopped guaranteeing.


They still have guaranteeing obligations.


Obligations which have never been met which means that the Guarantor Powers have not abided by the treaty! This makes it null and void!


Turkey did and is still doing her duty, have to agreed anything to resolve our conflicts???

No her duty was to come and restore the legitimate government and go
what she is doing is OCCUPATION .
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:37 pm

How can she restore the government when the GCs wont allow them.
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Postby quattro » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:44 pm

Viewpoint wrote:How can she restore the government when the GCs wont allow them.


With a single move VP...... MOVE OUT OF CYPRUS . Simple as that. :arrow: :arrow:
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:22 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:How can she restore the government when the GCs wont allow them.


With a single move VP...... MOVE OUT OF CYPRUS . Simple as that. :arrow: :arrow:


Noway.
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:15 pm

Viewpoint wrote:When did the TCs accept joining the EU? can you please show us their signature as need by the 1960 agreements?


Goes to show just how much "influence" the TCs , "trnc" and Turkey really do NOT have what the RoC does, just because the RoC gets it's international recognition and legality from the UN since 1960, with or without the TCs having any say so, just because the TCs refuse to return back to the RoC and instead they want to have an illegal entity called the "trnc". Obviously, the EU also agreed with the RoC's legal entity to allow her to become a full EU member, with or without the TCs say so. But if you feel that the 1960 constitution does not allow the RoC to become an EU member without your say so, you can always go to the ECJ to make a complaint. Good luck. Therefore, ALL TCs who are legal citizens of the RoC, afforded to them with the 1960 constitution, are ALL EU citizens, whether they like it or not, whether they agreed with it or not, and whether they hold a RoC passports or not. Unless any TC abdicates their RoC citizenship, they remain as a EU citizens. If they did abdicate their RoC citizenship, they will then no longer be a EU citizen if they are not also citizens of one of the other 26 EU member states. Instead, they will ONLY have the "trnc citizenship", which has as much value as a packet of bubble gum within the EU.

Viewpoint wrote:Lets see which of the "EU Principles" we violate by demanding a BBF with political equality as backed by the UN?


Anything relating to the Annan Plan of 2004 that you still want, which the GCs refuse to.

Viewpoint wrote:Why can you throw in a derogation when it suits your purposes and still remain within the "EU Principles" but when we even suggest such any that may warrant the same you call us fascist and anything else under the sun you can make up?


I allow one or two derogations in the favour of the TCs in my BBF plan as a "safety valve/insurance" for them, which in reality, they will not be needed or violate any one's Democratic and Human Rights. These derogations are so that the majority of Cypriots can live with it. It is designed to be a compromise that for both sides can live with in order to bridge the gap between the TCs and GCs. You on the other hand, all you want to do, is to deny others their Democratic and Human Rights while you want to keep yours. A HUGE difference.

Viewpoint wrote:Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, you are not only biased but very dangerous as I revealed using the death trap plan you still try to peddle.


I'm dangerous for exposing your partitionist views and plans in a BBF Annan Plan style. You can peddle your propaganda elsewhere, because they don't work with me. That's what really upsets you. Too bad for you.!
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:54 pm

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Goes to show just how much "influence" the TCs , "trnc" and Turkey really do NOT have what the RoC does, just because the RoC gets it's international recognition and legality from the UN since 1960, with or without the TCs having any say so, just because the TCs refuse to return back to the RoC and instead they want to have an illegal entity called the "trnc". Obviously, the EU also agreed with the RoC's legal entity to allow her to become a full EU member, with or without the TCs say so.


Now they know better, the GC thorn will continue to drain their patience thus increasing the number of people in the EU that regret ever taking on a divided island with all its troublesome baggage.

But if you feel that the 1960 constitution does not allow the RoC to become an EU member without your say so, you can always go to the ECJ to make a complaint. Good luck.


If we feel it necessary we will, for now th impact has been minimal.

Therefore, ALL TCs who are legal citizens of the RoC, afforded to them with the 1960 constitution, are ALL EU citizens, whether they like it or not, whether they agreed with it or not, and whether they hold a RoC passports or not. Unless any TC abdicates their RoC citizenship, they remain as a EU citizens. If they did abdicate their RoC citizenship, they will then no longer be a EU citizen if they are not also citizens of one of the other 26 EU member states.


Why not have your cake and eat it to? if you are allowed to do, thanks to the stupid GCs. Theres nothing more the GCs would like to do than take away our citizenship but the price would just be to heavy so as long as they claim to represent us they are forced to hand the benefits.


Instead, they will ONLY have the "trnc citizenship", which has as much value as a packet of bubble gum within the EU.


They still have to accept these passports when we visit countries in the world.

Anything relating to the Annan Plan of 2004 that you still want, which the GCs refuse to.


The TA leaving?
Return of settlers;
Return of Maraş?

I allow one or two derogations in the favour of the TCs in my BBF plan as a "safety valve/insurance" for them, which in reality, they will not be needed or violate any one's Democratic and Human Rights. These derogations are so that the majority of Cypriots can live with it. It is designed to be a compromise that for both sides can live with in order to bridge the gap between the TCs and GCs. You on the other hand, all you want to do, is to deny others their Democratic and Human Rights while you want to keep yours. A HUGE difference.


Similar derogation was made in the AP which was rejected by the GCs, you twist turn and make things up as you along to support your sell our plan, we will not buy it, its belongs in a place in your body where the sun dont shine.

I'm dangerous for exposing your partitionist views and plans in a BBF Annan Plan style. You can peddle your propaganda elsewhere, because they don't work with me. That's what really upsets you. Too bad for you.!


You are dangerous full stop and should never be trusted by the TCs.
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:52 pm

Viewpoint wrote:The TA leaving?

Lies!


Viewpoint wrote:Return of settlers;

Lies!


Viewpoint wrote:Return of Maraş?

Not Enough!
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:57 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Why not have your cake and eat it to? if you are allowed to do, thanks to the stupid GCs. Theres nothing more the GCs would like to do than take away our citizenship but the price would just be to heavy so as long as they claim to represent us they are forced to hand the benefits.


So you admit that the TCs are EU citizens, whether they had asked for it or not, with or without their say so.
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:02 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Similar derogation was made in the AP which was rejected by the GCs, you twist turn and make things up as you along to support your sell our plan, we will not buy it, its belongs in a place in your body where the sun dont shine.


They are not similar what so ever. The AP was a partition plan as well as violating all the EU principles, but just on the GCs.

How you asked the EU to accept the AP of 2004 yet for today's settlement talks, and if so, what have they told you.?
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:09 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Now they know better, the GC thorn will continue to drain their patience thus increasing the number of people in the EU that regret ever taking on a divided island with all its troublesome baggage.


Only in your imagination. I know it makes you sleep better at night in believing what you write, but it isn't so. You screwed up big time in 2004 with all your outrageous demands. It's time you have come to terms with the reality. Next time try to be more realistic with your demands. Cyprus now has Gas & Oil. You think the EU wants to turn these to Turkey by kicking Cyprus out.? Not on your life.
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