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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:20 am

miltiades wrote:You were correct back then, you are wrong now.
Assad, a dictator he is indeed but who on earth will replace him, there are numerous factions fighting out in Syria, do you think the west will waive a magic wand and install a new government accepted by all?

The only way to bring peace in Syria is to let the Syrian people decide and not the west .

Russia will bring an end to this war sooner than you think, I just hope that Turkey is not stupid enough to employ ground troops, highly unlikely given that the US does not intend to do so.


How can I be incorrect. I have a different viewpoint which does look upon Pootin or Assad favorably.

Assad of course is a War Criminal. Pootin is just a common criminal and a serious threat now that needs to be put in his place. He's pushed us way too far and now he will pay the price for it.

It's none of your business who will replace Assad. The Syrian People can replace him with whoever they like. If that happens to be the Muslim Brotherhood then so be it, as long as the Muslim Brotherhood give a platform to the Assyrians, Kurds and Yazidi. We don't have any issues at all.

We won't let Pootin achieve a Military Solution. We will just keep supplying weapons to the rebels to wage their Asymmetric war tactics indefinitely.

Turkey will do what we say. If the Coalition tells Turkey to invade with KSA, then that is what will happen, and then Pootin is totally f@#cked because all he will be able to do is begin a dialogue and we want transition in Syria.

This is not about the Rebels anymore. It's a proxy war and after Ukraine, we have some wild oats to sow!
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:20 am

I saw an interesting interview with a retired Turkish ambassador a few weeks ago in which, among other things, he claims that the US and Russia have done a deal whereby Russia gets Syria and the US gets Iraq. He argues that Russia's main interest is in having a base on the Mediterranean surrounded by sufficient territory under its control. He says Russia will now re-establish a rump Syria on territory where they think the Assad dictatorship can be reestablished and defended, and Assad will become a Russian puppet. He doesn't talk much about what the American's will do, but presumably the oil in Iraq is their main interest. He also says that if a Republican is elected president in the US then the deal may be off. All I can say about this analysis and some of the other points he makes is that it fits in with what is happening on the ground. The interview in Turkish is here:

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/koseyazisi ... oldu_.html

As to Turkey, I have often wondered if, as with Thatcher who went mad at the end of the 1980's and was eventually removed by people in her own party who saw that this had to be done, with Erdoğan getting crazier by the day and engaging in ruinous policies for the country, saner people within his party might not do the same. Well, there are strong signs of an anti-Erdoğan front forming in the AKP supported by big names like Gül and Arınç so big change may be about to come in Turkey (fingers crossed).
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:22 am

miltiades wrote:"U.S. Asks Turkey to Stop Attacks on Kurdish Fighters. ISTANBUL—The U.S. government called Saturday on Turkey to stop shelling American-backed Kurdish fighters in northern Syria "

Turkish leaders rejected appeals for restraint from France, Germany and the U.S., including a phone call from Vice President Joe Biden to Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu
http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-agai ... 1455452506


We've got that under control too. We will deploy our troops there just to shield the Kurds.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:24 am

Tim Drayton wrote:I saw an interesting interview with a retired Turkish ambassador a few weeks ago in which, among other things, he claims that the US and Russia have done a deal whereby Russia gets Syria and the US gets Iraq. He argues that Russia's main interest is in having a base on the Mediterranean surrounded by sufficient territory under its control. He says Russia will now re-establish a rump Syria on territory where they think the Assad dictatorship can be reestablished and defended, and Assad will become a Russian puppet. He doesn't talk much about what the American's will do, but presumably the oil in Iraq is their main interest. He also says that if a Republican is elected president in the US then the deal may be off. All I can say about this analysis and some of the other points he makes is that it fits in with what is happening on the ground. The interview in Turkish is here:

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/koseyazisi ... oldu_.html

As to Turkey, I have often wondered if, as with Thatcher who went mad at the end of the 1980's and was eventually removed by people in her own party who saw that this had to be done, with Erdoğan getting crazier by the day and engaging in ruinous policies for the country, saner people within his party might not do the same. Well, there are strong signs of an anti-Erdoğan front forming in the AKP supported by big names like Gül and Arınç so big change may be about to come in Turkey (fingers crossed).


So basically, that means partition.

That is another feasible option. Probably quite acceptable.

But certainly a far cry from Pootin's resounding win.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby miltiades » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:25 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:"U.S. Asks Turkey to Stop Attacks on Kurdish Fighters. ISTANBUL—The U.S. government called Saturday on Turkey to stop shelling American-backed Kurdish fighters in northern Syria "

Turkish leaders rejected appeals for restraint from France, Germany and the U.S., including a phone call from Vice President Joe Biden to Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu
http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-agai ... 1455452506


We've got that under control too. We will deploy our troops there just to shield the Kurds.

Who told YOU ? :lol: :lol:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:30 am

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:"U.S. Asks Turkey to Stop Attacks on Kurdish Fighters. ISTANBUL—The U.S. government called Saturday on Turkey to stop shelling American-backed Kurdish fighters in northern Syria "

Turkish leaders rejected appeals for restraint from France, Germany and the U.S., including a phone call from Vice President Joe Biden to Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu
http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-agai ... 1455452506


We've got that under control too. We will deploy our troops there just to shield the Kurds.

Who told YOU ? :lol: :lol:


That is what we would do and have been doing for a long time now.

There is a reason why there are so many American and Australian Special Forces in the region. Some are probably in Syria right now.

American Troops were even instrumental in attacking a DAESH Prison with Peshmerga not that long ago.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:42 am

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:I saw an interesting interview with a retired Turkish ambassador a few weeks ago in which, among other things, he claims that the US and Russia have done a deal whereby Russia gets Syria and the US gets Iraq. He argues that Russia's main interest is in having a base on the Mediterranean surrounded by sufficient territory under its control. He says Russia will now re-establish a rump Syria on territory where they think the Assad dictatorship can be reestablished and defended, and Assad will become a Russian puppet. He doesn't talk much about what the American's will do, but presumably the oil in Iraq is their main interest. He also says that if a Republican is elected president in the US then the deal may be off. All I can say about this analysis and some of the other points he makes is that it fits in with what is happening on the ground. The interview in Turkish is here:

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/koseyazisi ... oldu_.html

As to Turkey, I have often wondered if, as with Thatcher who went mad at the end of the 1980's and was eventually removed by people in her own party who saw that this had to be done, with Erdoğan getting crazier by the day and engaging in ruinous policies for the country, saner people within his party might not do the same. Well, there are strong signs of an anti-Erdoğan front forming in the AKP supported by big names like Gül and Arınç so big change may be about to come in Turkey (fingers crossed).


So basically, that means partition.

That is another feasible option. Probably quite acceptable.

But certainly a far cry from Pootin's resounding win.


I don't know. As I have said all along, Russia's only concern is protecting its access to the Mediterranean, which is of crucial strategic importance to it, and having a naval base on the Mediterranean is needed to secure this vital interest, so this would be a victory for them. As to the idiots who think that Putin is an Orthodox saint who is fighting to bring Orthodox justice to the world, well, that's their problem.

As to Erdoğan's Turkey doing everything that the US wants, I am not so sure about that, either. There seems to be a lot of tension behind the scenes over the Turkish army shelling the YPG, with the Americans telling them to stop doing this. Come to think of it, the Yanks might even be the puppet masters of the anti-Erdoğan grouping that appears to be forming in his old party.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:56 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
I don't know. As I have said all along, Russia's only concern is protecting its access to the Mediterranean, which is of crucial strategic importance to it, and having a naval base on the Mediterranean is needed to secure this vital interest, so this would be a victory for them. As to the idiots who think that Putin is an Orthodox saint who is fighting to bring Orthodox justice to the world, well, that's their problem.


Thank heavens we have you Tim, someone that can see things for what they are and who can reason.

Pootin is a very dangerous man, and in as little as 1 year, he has bought back the Cold War between NATO/USA and Russia. I've never experience such an intence environment.

I consider him far more dangerous than DAESH but you might not agree. The reason for this is because he is somewhere along the line going to cause a direct confrontation with NATO or Coalition Forces.

As far as I can tell, the Coalition has no desire to take away Russia's strategic interests. In fact, they probably think that will probably make Pootin a lot more aggressive and dangerous. So Pootin does have an opportunity to secure these interests if it wants to. We also have no issue with Syria remaining a client State of Russia.

But he is going to have to negotiate some kind of transitional administration away from Assad. Unless of course what you insinuated involves some kind of partition deal.

Tim Drayton wrote:As to Erdoğan's Turkey doing everything that the US wants, I am not so sure about that, either. There seems to be a lot of tension behind the scenes over the Turkish army shelling the YPG, with the Americans telling them to stop doing this. Come to think of it, the Yanks might even be the puppet masters of the anti-Erdoğan grouping that appears to be forming in his old party.


Yes I agree. There is a lot of tension between the USA and Turkey.

That's because Turkey has been hitting at US Interests in the area. I don't know how far they can take it though before the USA/Coalition are fed up with Erdogan. He might be on thin ice already so we will see what happens.

I know the USA wants Turkey on side but if the keep attacking the Kurds that is going to be more difficult.

Maybe the USA will set Turkey up on an war with Russia and then create the Kurdish Republic on Turkey's border.

I also blame Obama for this mess. His lack of leadership has just made things ten times worse and more complicated.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:03 pm

Paphitis:
The Turks are not inferior to the Russians at all. The Turks can deploy MORE troops, MORE Tanks, MORE aircraft and MORE Ships. They are militarily far superior to the Russian deployments in Syria.
40 odd aircraft of the Russian Air Force just won’t cut it against the TAF and RSAF. Not even close!

It is not what you have got that is significant ..... it is what you can do with it! :wink: :lol: The Turkish army has only ever fought lightly armed guerrillas and then with complete air superiority. Faced with a well trained and well armed opponent ........... they will drop their weapons and either surrender or run for their lives. The Saudi’s will be even easier ........ they are like trying to push a piece of string! They will not even advance unless the US is there to hold their hand.
............ and Pootin would probably not attack them.(Turkey/Saudi)

Oh yes he will ........... you can bank on it!
....... so the Australian SAS and Commandos might be task with deploying into Kurdish Areas specifically to provide them with a shield from any Turkish Aggression. Turkey will not be able to attack them if there are allied troops among them.

Will the Australian SAS/SBS wear orange hi-viz jackets so that the Turks/Saudi’s can identify them and avoid killing them when they get in the way? I think your countrymen are a lot brighter than that! :roll:
The Kurdish Forces are key to the Coalition's strategy and as such are protected.

Yes ...... by the Russians!
He(Assad) is a war criminal who is killing civilians, has used Sarin Gas on his own people, and millions of people don't want him.

He has yet to be judged! It is irrational, as Assad pointed out in his interview, to kill his own people and the evidence clearly says otherwise (listen/read what he says ..... it makes perfect sense) He did not use Sarin gas, again no evidence and what evidence there is points the finger at your ‘moderates’! A far greater number of Syrians would prefer the stability of Assad remaining in power than having a bunch of brain dead Islamist running the country according to Sharia Law.

Remember, until the US stirred up the Islamic malcontents with another of their ‘coloured revolutions’, Syria was a prosperous country with a growth rate of around 5%. But Assad had a Central Bank that was independent of the US World banking system and he also proposed to trade in currencies other than the Petro-dollar ...... that made him a marked man as far as the US Elite were concerned. That is why ‘Assad had to go!’ It was not because he was the tyrant you seem to think, is hated by his people and they needed the US’s benevolence to protect them, that is all bullshit ........... it was to protect US interests. The Russians have said very clearly today that they are working with Assad because they do not want Syria to end up in the same unholy mess the Western powers created in Iraq and Libya. Good for him ..... at least he sticks to his principals. :)
........(Assad) absolutely no respect for other religious creeds and ethnicities.

FFS .... before the US interfered Syria was stable, tolerant, secular and encompassed all religions. If you want to accuse any counties of tyranical intolerance of other religions and minorities ........... try looking first at your coalition partners ..... Israel, Saudi, Egypt, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar and of course ........Turkey!
You're a very sad individual to expect Syrians to live forever under his control when Millions can't even get papers for their existence.

If that is the case let the Syrian people (all of them) make the decision. Why is it you are so frightened of allowing him to stand for election! :?: It is because you KNOW that it is odds on he will get re-elected. The people want their country back ...... just like it was before YOU interfered. The only ones that fear Assad are the people who became the butchers who called themselves the FSA and the kaleidoscope of Islamic extremists you have encouraged, supported, financed and armed!
Fact is, Syrians have put up a brave fight against Assad. They want their freedom. I can't stand in their way, not when 300,000 were killed mostly by the Assad Regime btw and not DAESH or any other militia. That is a fact.

It is not a fact .... it is bull shit! The Syrians have been fighting ISIL as well as having to fight against Erdogan and the terrorist you have been using to fight a proxy war to meet the demands of the US just to serve its hegemonic aspirations. That is why your coalition has made such poor progress over the 4-5 years, You have concentrated your efforts on supporting these terrorists to get rid of Assad and have made the Syrian people suffer for it. The SAA and the Russians are being welcomed by the Syrian people as LIBERATORS! :roll:

Kikapu:
USA might support a ground operation of Turkey going into Syria which has been USA's dream for a very long time, but USA will not be leading a ground operation with her troops, which is what the invading armies need to hide behind the USA's skirt, so not to be decimated by the local forces plus Russia. As I've said, once Turkey and others commit themselves to enter Syria, they will be left on their own to deal with the Syrian army, PYD and the Russians and will not be backed by NATO.

I agree with you and the independent news outlets make the same observations. The MSM with its obsession with demonising Putin, all toe the official US/NATO line. The coalition suffers the illusion that there is such a thing as the ‘moderate opposition’. As Assad points out in the interview ..... ‘opposition’ is a political reference ...... if the opposition decides to take up arms to remove the elected government (any government .... anywhere) then they meet the definition of a terrorist. ‘Moderate’ terrorists are an illusion and the ordinary Syrian has had enough of them and their ideology. :x
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:13 pm

Paphitis wrote:Maybe the USA will set Turkey up on an war with Russia and then create the Kurdish Republic on Turkey's border.


Now you are beginning to see the bigger picture! :wink:
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