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[Robin Hood]

What load of shit.

Whitlam was overthrown because he did npt have the number of MPs to hold onto Government.

Therefore, Malcolm Fraser, the opposition went to the Governor to dissolve Parliament after a successful vote of no confidence.

The Governnor, on behalf of The Australian Monarch Queen Elizabeth (Head of State), was obligated to absolve the Parliament and issue writs for general elections.

Whitlam lost the elections in a landslide and Malcolm Fraser became Prime Minister.

USA and UK had NOTHING to do with it all.

Once again everybody else is wrong but you are right? I wouldn't mind betting you were not even born when it happened or still running around with a snotty nose playing soldiers ? It is pointless providing any links for you as you are not intelligent enough to understand them, even if you followed them through .... which you don't.

The US Government had great relations with both Australian Administrations and had no interest at all on who was PM. The Australian/US relationship is rock solid and transcends politics and ideology.

You talk shit once again. There was no regime change here and neither Whitlam or Fraser can be regarded as a regime. Whitlam was democratically elected by a 1 seat majority which he had lost resulting in a no confidence vote and a new election being called resulting in the election of Fraser.

The Australian Monarch has the power to dissolve parliament after being instructed to do so by Parliament. The Monarch is Head of State, just like in the UK.

There has never been any US interference in Australian politics. There is no evidence of any interference. The 2 countries have always been very close no matter who is in office. They have always been our best ally.
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And duh, yes the Queen had an involvement. She dissolves Australia's parliament every 4 years when instructed to do so. Governments are sworn in by the Monarch. She is Australia's Monarch. She is on our currency and Bank Notes, and The Royal Family are members of The Australian Defence Force as well. That is not interference. That is Constitutional since we are a Constitutional Monarchy.

Even the former King of Greece has an official capacity within the Australian Government and always flies on Australia's RAAF BeeBeeJay. The minute King Constantine of Greece lands in Australia, he is whisked by Australia's Secret Service like a Head of State.

You still have not provided any evidence that the USA is responsible for any regime changes. No matter how much you duck and weave, you just can not prove that the USA triggered any regime changes. All you can do is prove that they had perhaps colluded, supported or sponsored a new administration because it suited its interests.

In Australia it makes no difference who is in power. We are always close to America and Europe. Labor or Liberal or something else, there is such a thing as The Deep State and that Deep State has just one track. Foreign Policy is inherited, not made. Australia shares a Head of State with the UK, Canada, and NZ for crying out loud.

Then you switch to bullshit and waffle mode!

They are all joined at the hip.'

You mean scratching one another's backs .........

You are scraping the bottom of the barrel to be using this as an example when in actual fact the Government didn't have 50% of seats plus 1.Its, just like all the other examples you provided. there were changes in Government because of other local circumstances within each country which the USA had nothing to do with.

What a prize idiot you are. So if the Aboriginals decided to raise up and reclaim their lands and Putin supplied them with all the tanks and missiles they wanted plus air support ...... you would blame the Aboriginals?. Gloria Newland boasted the US had funded the Ukraine fascists to the tune of $5bn but it was Putin and the Russians that were to blame for the violence, and not the US that was behind the fascist coup. Assad gasses his people you scream .... although you don't actually have any credible independent evidence to support that ........ because YOU have declared it to be so!
And the US Russian hacked elections ..... well. we won't go there....... x

You sound like the US gun lobby ..... there is nothing wrong with assault rifles ...... it is the people that are doing the killing not the guns! Isn't that what they call 'inverted logic' ?

You are an idiot.

[repulsewarrior]

The three pillars of the Astana process — namely Russia, Turkey and Iran — are each on a different side in the battle for Afrin, despite some intersections between these actors. This might be a factor that could cause cracks in the framework of the joint path that emerged between the trio in the past few months as a serious attempt to reach a peaceful solution for the ongoing conflict in Syria. While Turkey is on the offensive, Russia is trying to preserve its ties with Ankara while maintaining strong relations with the Kurds.

One military source near Afrin told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity, “The Russians are mastering the game of contradictions; while not showing opposition to the Turkish side, they didn’t desert the Kurds [and leave them] alone in this battle.” The source added, “The Russians are transporting Kurdish fighters from Hasakah and Qamishli to Afrin. Besides, it would be interesting to know how the Kurds got their anti-tank missiles.”

The Iranians had been trying to broker a deal between the Kurds and the Syrian army to secure the latter’s deployment in the area alongside Kurdish fighters and some groups that are allied with Iran. The Iranian effort is aimed at exiting fighting with the best results possible; preserving its position as a friend to both the Syrian Kurds and Turkey; and, at the same time, barricading the path for other parties who might want to invest in the fighting in Afrin to enhance their position in the Syrian crisis — namely, the United States.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... z57aFD4Ekb

...an article which discusses the complexities in Syria, as the interlocutors must redefine the motives behind their alliance(s).

[Paphitis]

What nonsense you speak.

So apparently the Whitlam Government was deposed by the USA and you regard it as “regime change” because of US meddling.

Firstly, there is never a need for US meddling. Australia and US have always had top notch bilateral relations since the turn of the last century. We just get along with them. Even when Trump has a spat against Australian PM we always seem to work things out and the US still takes 1000 illegal immigrants from Australia. Trump was made to honour the agreement and they both had a laugh about it. Right now, Australian PM is meeting with Trump in Washington and both are getting along like a house on fire. We respect the US Government as the elected Government of the US and they respect our Government too.

What is known as Australia’s Constitutional Crisis is taught in Australian History at school along with the Australian Constitution. Under the Constitution, Queen Elizabeth is the Crown Monarch of Australia. Her role, is largely ceremonial. The Monarch (her representative) opens Parliament, wraps it up, and issues writs for elections. Her representative also signs of on laws that pass through Parliament. She isn’t allowed to prevent any law from passing through or interfere in Australia’s Government other than partake in certain ceremonial duties.

The Whitlam Government lost its 1 seat majority when an MP had died. The Opposition had the numbers and was calling for elections. Whitlam kept refusing. So the Opposition instigated several votes of no confidence which they had won. Whitlam continued to refuse to step down. Therefore, Malcolm Fraser went to the Crown or the Queen’s representative and asked to have Australia’s Parliament dissolved and issue writs for new elections. This action is provisioned as legal within the framework of the Constitution. If a Government does not have the numbers to Govern then it must step down and have new elections. So the Governor dissolved Parliament and issued the writs on behalf of the Crown and as requested by Malcolm Fraser who now had the majority seats in Parliament.

Australia had a caretaker Government for 30 days until the next election. When the elections took place, Malcolm Fraser won in a Landslide. There was no involvement or meddling by the USA. They wouldn’t dare do it.

I have met the late Fraser and he as far as I am concerned was a great man and a great Prime Minister. After office he dedicated his life to philanthropy and sending aid to Africa. He was running an Aid agency for a very long time.

As for the Aborigines, well let Pootin try it. Our Aborigines however will not budge. They are too well looked after. Australia now belongs to the Australian People.

As for Syria, so far about 30% belongs to the Kurds. Bight me!

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis

What nonsense you speak.

So apparently the Whitlam Government was deposed by the USA and you regard it as “regime change” because of US meddling

Do I suggest regime change? NOPE! Did the US meddle? YUP .... it would appear so!

Firstly, there is never a need for US meddling. Australia and US have always had top notch bilateral relations since the turn of the last century. We just get along with them. Even when Trump has a spat against Australian PM we always seem to work things out and the US still takes 1000 illegal immigrants from Australia. Trump was made to honour the agreement and they both had a laugh about it. Right now, Australian PM is meeting with Trump in Washington and both are getting along like a house on fire. We respect the US Government as the elected Government of the US and they respect our Government too.

What is known as Australia’s Constitutional Crisis is taught in Australian History at school along with the Australian Constitution. Under the Constitution, Queen Elizabeth is the Crown Monarch of Australia. Her role, is largely ceremonial. The Monarch (her representative) opens Parliament, wraps it up, and issues writs for elections. Her representative also signs of on laws that pass through Parliament. She isn’t allowed to prevent any law from passing through or interfere in Australia’s Government other than partake in certain ceremonial duties.

The Whitlam Government lost its 1 seat majority when an MP had died. The Opposition had the numbers and was calling for elections. Whitlam kept refusing. So the Opposition instigated several votes of no confidence which they had won. Whitlam continued to refuse to step down. Therefore, Malcolm Fraser went to the Crown or the Queen’s representative and asked to have Australia’s Parliament dissolved and issue writs for new elections. This action is provisioned as legal within the framework of the Constitution. If a Government does not have the numbers to Govern then it must step down and have new elections. So the Governor dissolved Parliament and issued the writs on behalf of the Crown and as requested by Malcolm Fraser who now had the majority seats in Parliament.

Australia had a caretaker Government for 30 days until the next election. When the elections took place, Malcolm Fraser won in a Landslide. There was no involvement or meddling by the USA. They wouldn’t dare do it.
I have met the late Fraser and he as far as I am concerned was a great man and a great Prime Minister. After office he dedicated his life to philanthropy and sending aid to Africa. He was running an Aid agency for a very long time.

You clearly demonstrate here just where you go wrong! You mouth is working independently of the thought process.

I didn’t make a single comment at all on the Australian 1973-1975 question of US interference. I simply responded to your demanding you needed evidence. So I picked just one off the list and chose Australia because after putting up with you singing their praises and telling me how Australia is the US closest friend and you are joined at the hip, it seemed that it would be a good one to just post the links because it seemed the most likely to be untrue. I didn’t even read them, I did what you do and skimmed the headlines. Then your mouth goes into overdrive and you spout rubbish and totally unrelated to the post. You do it every time!

So I actually made no comment.

As for the Aborigines, well let Pootin try it. Our Aborigines however will not budge. They are too well looked after. Australia now belongs to the Australian People

I gave that as a stupid and most unlikely scenario, but I should have know you would miss that!

As for Syria, so far about 30% belongs to the Kurds. Bight me

Bight? Do you mean BITE? If I did that I would need an Anti-Tetanus injection!

[Paphitis]

Paphitis

What nonsense you speak.

So apparently the Whitlam Government was deposed by the USA and you regard it as “regime change” because of US meddling

Do I suggest regime change? NOPE! Did the US meddle? YUP .... it would appear so!

Firstly, there is never a need for US meddling. Australia and US have always had top notch bilateral relations since the turn of the last century. We just get along with them. Even when Trump has a spat against Australian PM we always seem to work things out and the US still takes 1000 illegal immigrants from Australia. Trump was made to honour the agreement and they both had a laugh about it. Right now, Australian PM is meeting with Trump in Washington and both are getting along like a house on fire. We respect the US Government as the elected Government of the US and they respect our Government too.

What is known as Australia’s Constitutional Crisis is taught in Australian History at school along with the Australian Constitution. Under the Constitution, Queen Elizabeth is the Crown Monarch of Australia. Her role, is largely ceremonial. The Monarch (her representative) opens Parliament, wraps it up, and issues writs for elections. Her representative also signs of on laws that pass through Parliament. She isn’t allowed to prevent any law from passing through or interfere in Australia’s Government other than partake in certain ceremonial duties.

The Whitlam Government lost its 1 seat majority when an MP had died. The Opposition had the numbers and was calling for elections. Whitlam kept refusing. So the Opposition instigated several votes of no confidence which they had won. Whitlam continued to refuse to step down. Therefore, Malcolm Fraser went to the Crown or the Queen’s representative and asked to have Australia’s Parliament dissolved and issue writs for new elections. This action is provisioned as legal within the framework of the Constitution. If a Government does not have the numbers to Govern then it must step down and have new elections. So the Governor dissolved Parliament and issued the writs on behalf of the Crown and as requested by Malcolm Fraser who now had the majority seats in Parliament.

Australia had a caretaker Government for 30 days until the next election. When the elections took place, Malcolm Fraser won in a Landslide. There was no involvement or meddling by the USA. They wouldn’t dare do it.
I have met the late Fraser and he as far as I am concerned was a great man and a great Prime Minister. After office he dedicated his life to philanthropy and sending aid to Africa. He was running an Aid agency for a very long time.

You clearly demonstrate here just where you go wrong! You mouth is working independently of the thought process.

I didn’t make a single comment at all on the Australian 1973-1975 question of US interference. I simply responded to your demanding you needed evidence. So I picked just one off the list and chose Australia because after putting up with you singing their praises and telling me how Australia is the US closest friend and you are joined at the hip, it seemed that it would be a good one to just post the links because it seemed the most likely to be untrue. I didn’t even read them, I did what you do and skimmed the headlines. Then your mouth goes into overdrive and you spout rubbish and totally unrelated to the post. You do it every time!

So I actually made no comment.

As for the Aborigines, well let Pootin try it. Our Aborigines however will not budge. They are too well looked after. Australia now belongs to the Australian People

I gave that as a stupid and most unlikely scenario, but I should have know you would miss that!

As for Syria, so far about 30% belongs to the Kurds. Bight me

Bight? Do you mean BITE? If I did that I would need an Anti-Tetanus injection!

That's because there is no US meddling in Australian politics anymore than there is Australian meddling into American Politics.

The USA has no influence over Australian Constitutional Matters. If an Administration is toppled it is done Constitutionally and legally by the Australian Parliament and its Constitutional Governance. There was no Coup, no international interference, just 2 political parties stoushing for power because the balance of power was toppled within Parliament.

Plus there is no evidence of American Interference. If America makes its position known, then that is its right as an ally to Australia, just like Australia makes its position known in Washington.

Prpve there was meddling.

In addition, the Crown's involvement is also legal and can not be considered to be meddling by the UK. The Crown is also The Monarch of Australia.

The Queen can not dissolve Parliament unless there was a legal basis for it. And the legal basis was triggered by the fact that Parliament voted down the incumbent in a vote of no confidence, and because the Government had become impotent because it did not have the votes or the majority to even pass the slightest thing which would have resulted in a shutdown.

So the Government was dissolved by The Queen which then issued writs for a new election. An election which made Malcolm Fraser Prime Minister with one of the biggest landslides in Australian Political History. The Liberal Party had something like 3/4 of all seats then. The Former Government was wiped out of Parliament.

That had nothing at all to do with the USA or the UK. It was a matter that was resolved by applying the laws of the Constitution, and letting the people elect their PM once again, and they made their choice in a landslide.

This is another example of America being blamed for everything when the reality is, they are not instigators in the majority of situations. The Greek Coup for instance. The US Government supported the Junta, but it did not order it with a click of its fingers. The Coup was instigated within Greece by Greek Military Elites and they were probably preparing for the Coup for quite some time because it isn't an easy thing to do. These military Elites would have also needed the respect of the lower ranks otherwise it would fail. It's not something the Americans can easily do. But the Americans ARE opportunists and they will jump on the bandwagon when it suits them.

As for the Aborigines and it being an unlikely scenario. Well then why waste your breath? The reality is, Kurdish Rebels control 30% or thereabouts of Syria, and they are not oing to let go.

And with all the precedents made by Russia, we will be hoping in declaring a new Kurdish State in the future and immediately recognize the new State and the UN, Russia and everyone else can jam it because that is exactly what Russia did with Ukraine and Ossetia so we will be following suit. We too do not care about any UN Resolutions.

A new kurdish State is in all of our interests, especially Cyprus and Greece's interests as well as Israel's.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

That's because there is no US meddling in Australian politics anymore than there is Australian meddling into American Politics.

But Russia does ? Bloody clever these Russians!

The USA has no influence over Australian Constitutional Matters. If an Administration is toppled ............................................. Australia makes its position known in Washington.

Prpve there was meddling.

You mean ‘PROVE’ I take it? I gave you links so make your own mind up or is that too difficult. How about you PROVE they didn’t? Now there is a challenge for you .... trying to prove a negative ....... we will see if you can do what you expect say Assad to do? Based on your guiding principal of guilty until proven innocent!

In addition, the Crown's involvement .........yawn............... again, and they made their choice in a landslide.

This is another example of America being blamed for everything when the reality is, they are not instigators in the majority of situations.

But you don’t apply that reasoning when it comes to Russia? YOU can make wild claims/statements without anything to support it and we have to take YOUR word for it? But anything that is said that happens NOT to agree with YOUR concepts ...... needs proof, but not just any proof but proof you agree with both in content and source! Don’t you see that as just a bit hypocritical?

The Greek Coup for instance. The US Government supported the Junta, but it did not order it with a click of its fingers. The Coup was instigated within Greece by Greek Military Elites and they were probably preparing for the Coup for quite some time because it isn't an easy thing to do. These military Elites would have also needed the respect of the lower ranks otherwise it would fail. It's not something the Americans can easily do. But the Americans ARE opportunists and they will jump on the bandwagon when it suits them.

Exactly .......... “.....the Americans ARE opportunists and they will jump on the bandwagon when it suits them.” So you agree with me?

As for the Aborigines and it being an unlikely scenario. Well then why waste your breath? The reality is, Kurdish Rebels control 30% or thereabouts of Syria, and they are not oing to let go.

Reading LR’s link I once again, surprisingly, think you are wrong. The SAA will back the Kurds against the Turks but the idea that they will do so without some political deal is a bit of wishful thinking. My guess will be that they will negotiate with Syria to have their own autonomous region within Syria’s borders. They have to have a ‘partner’ I doubt they would survive as a totally independent State on their own. Their choice is that or the US coalition and, going on the US record so far, that would not be a good choice. That means the US would no longer have an excuse to illegally occupy NE Syria and will leave.

And with all the precedents made by Russia, we will be hoping in declaring a new Kurdish State in the future and immediately recognize the new State and the UN, Russia and everyone else can jam it because that is exactly what Russia did with Ukraine and Ossetia so we will be following suit. We too do not care about any UN Resolutions.

What precedents? Georgia attacked Sth. Ossetia, Russia went to their aid and then left. They don’t remain as an occupying force, they go back home!

Crimea voted for independence from an illegal regime that threatened to exterminate them; the people then asked to become part of Russia for their own security ..... I think that is what they mean by ‘self determination’ ? Russia did not invade or interfere with their elections. The Crimean’s are now infinitely better off than if they had remained as part of Ukraine.

So you show once again YOU have nothing but utter contempt for International Law, the UN and any other country that thinks differently. YOU will interfere, bully, threaten or bomb anyone that disagrees with YOU, The day is approaching where the rest of the World will rise up and isolate the US and its allies. Then the allies will see better horizons and abandon the US ....... as I believe is beginning to happen in Australia? YOU have realised China has far more to offer you than the US!

A new kurdish State is in all of our interests, especially Cyprus and Greece's interests as well as Israel's

Well, not quite sure how a Kurdish State will benefit Cyprus or Greece but autonomy will have very much the same effect as a State ...... without the usual bloodshed and destruction. Israel benefits from death and destruction in the region as they want to splinter all the countries into smaller continuously conflicting micro states. So they will do all they can to ensure there is no deal between the Kurds and Syria ...... that is a certainty.

[Paphitis]

But Russia does ? Bloody clever these Russians!

I never said Russians have meddled into Australian affairs. Put it this way. If America were to get involved in Australian politics (it rarely does) then it isn't meddling. It's actually quite welcome. When Russia sticks its nose in our affairs, it is unwelcome.

Also, if Australia was meddling in US Politics (it rarely does), it isn't considered meddling. That's because we do not want to undermine the system. If Russia colluded with anyone through their embassy, then that is illegal and yes, these investigations must run their course.

In any case, if Russia meddled, it did us a big huge favour. I'm a Trump supporter. Trump is doing a great job.

You mean ‘PROVE’ I take it? (Yes I do Idiot) I gave you links so make your own mind up or is that too difficult. How about you PROVE they didn’t? Now there is a challenge for you .... trying to prove a negative ....... we will see if you can do what you expect say Assad to do? Based on your guiding principal of guilty until proven innocent!

You gave me a Guardian link which comes up with all kinds of sensationalist stuff such as Washington's involvement, to spooks, CIA and NSA and on it goes. Fact is, the entire crisis had nothing to do with anyone. It was purely an internal political crisis and struggle for power within Australia's Parliament between the 2 main Parties - The Australian Labor Party and The Liberal/National Coalition.

The same situation will happen today if the Government lost the balance of Power on the floor. The Government today only has a 1 seat majority. If that majority disappeared for whatever reason, then the Government's position in power is untenable.

But you don’t apply that reasoning when it comes to Russia? YOU can make wild claims/statements without anything to support it and we have to take YOUR word for it? But anything that is said that happens NOT to agree with YOUR concepts ...... needs proof, but not just any proof but proof you agree with both in content and source! Don’t you see that as just a bit hypocritical?

What nonsense. The Russian Government is NOT the same with Australia's Government. No one fears the Australian Government. If you are against it, you won't be blacklisted for the rest of your life and find it difficult to get a job, or worse still, possibly fear for your life.

We have total freedom in Australia. No police state and there is freedom of association. Our press is also 100% free which is why we have everything from The Guardian to Murdoch from left of the spectrum to the sensible center and the far right. We have great public discourse and debate in Australia, a colorful and vibrant society and people are happier than their Russian counterparts.

We have not meddled in their affairs, and they, as far as we know, have not meddled in ours. There is however a certain degree of espionage I am sure, hacking and a cyberwar going on which is meddling in a way.

The Greek Coup for instance. The US Government supported the Junta, but it did not order it with a click of its fingers. The Coup was instigated within Greece by Greek Military Elites and they were probably preparing for the Coup for quite some time because it isn't an easy thing to do. These military Elites would have also needed the respect of the lower ranks otherwise it would fail. It's not something the Americans can easily do. But the Americans ARE opportunists and they will jump on the bandwagon when it suits them.

Exactly .......... “.....the Americans ARE opportunists and they will jump on the bandwagon when it suits them.” So you agree with me?

Every country is opportunistic and will support what suits them. America isn't unusual.

Reading LR’s link I once again, surprisingly, think you are wrong. The SAA will back the Kurds against the Turks but the idea that they will do so without some political deal is a bit of wishful thinking. My guess will be that they will negotiate with Syria to have their own autonomous region within Syria’s borders. They have to have a ‘partner’ I doubt they would survive as a totally independent State on their own. Their choice is that or the US coalition and, going on the US record so far, that would not be a good choice. That means the US would no longer have an excuse to illegally occupy NE Syria and will leave.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions because no other source seems to verify this. I don't jump to conclusions so easily.

The Coalitions plans would be very long term. For instance, they would have a picture of the landscape in 30 years time, and I bet that this landscape includes A Kurdish State.

I do not think the Coalition is desperate to need help with regard to the Turks in Afrin so I do not believe the Syrians or Russians will be going anywhere near the place.

The Syrian Armed Forces are bombed whenever they venture anywhere there are not suppose to. assad will need to have an agreement with The Coalition and I don't think such an agreement will be forthcoming anytime soon. So in other words, Syrians are welcome to try, but it would probably end in a lot of tears for them because they will be bombed by the Coalition.

What precedents? Georgia attacked Sth. Ossetia, Russia went to their aid and then left. They don’t remain as an occupying force, they go back home!

Crimea voted for independence from an illegal regime that threatened to exterminate them; the people then asked to become part of Russia for their own security ..... I think that is what they mean by ‘self determination’ ? Russia did not invade or interfere with their elections. The Crimean’s are now infinitely better off than if they had remained as part of Ukraine.

So you show once again YOU have nothing but utter contempt for International Law, the UN and any other country that thinks differently. YOU will interfere, bully, threaten or bomb anyone that disagrees with YOU, The day is approaching where the rest of the World will rise up and isolate the US and its allies. Then the allies will see better horizons and abandon the US ....... as I believe is beginning to happen in Australia? YOU have realised China has far more to offer you than the US!

See, you display total recalcitrance. That is fine, We know that there are bsically no rules. Might equals might. We will hold a vote in the Kurdish Controlled areas as well, and when 99.9% vote for independence we will just go right ahead and declare the Kurdish State which btw is resource rich and viable in its own right.

A new kurdish State is in all of our interests, especially Cyprus and Greece's interests as well as Israel's

Well, not quite sure how a Kurdish State will benefit Cyprus or Greece but autonomy will have very much the same effect as a State ...... without the usual bloodshed and destruction. Israel benefits from death and destruction in the region as they want to splinter all the countries into smaller continuously conflicting micro states. So they will do all they can to ensure there is no deal between the Kurds and Syria ...... that is a certainty.

A Kurdish State on Turkey's border is just what the Doctor ordered for Greece, Cyprus and Israel. Later, the Kurdish State will expand into South Western Turkey.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions because no other source seems to verify this. I don't jump to conclusions so easily.

Please note ..... I used the expression ‘my guess will be’ ..... a guess, not a conclusion. I never 'jump to conclusions, unlike you I think before I leap. I try to chose my words carefully and use 'Spell Check’ .... if something is worth saying, it is worth trying to say it properly! You should try it some time.

The Coalitions plans would be very long term. For instance, they would have a picture of the landscape in 30 years time, and I bet that this landscape includes A Kurdish State.

But it is not their place to make that choice because the land is part of Syria, which is why I would make a guess that they will eventually do a deal with Syria on the basis of autonomy.

You are absolutely right. When the Kurds realise the US will only give them air cover against the Syrians but will not attack their NATO ally Turkey, they will eventually realize that the majority of the Syrians are sitting in their barracks playing cards with the Russians whilst Erdogan bombs the shit out of them.

I do not think the Coalition is desperate to need help with regard to the Turks in Afrin so I do not believe the Syrians or Russians will be going anywhere near the place.

Again, I agree! Why take risks when you can get some other idiot to take them for you. The Russians and the Syrians will just wait and see. They know that eventually the coalition will have to pack their bags and go home ........ because it ain’t their war, their country or their business. Nobody invited them to the party, they are as welcome as a fart in a space suit!

The Syrian Armed Forces are bombed whenever they venture anywhere there are not suppose to. assad will need to have an agreement with The Coalition and I don't think such an agreement will be forthcoming anytime soon. So in other words, Syrians are welcome to try, but it would probably end in a lot of tears for them because they will be bombed by the Coalition.

So the SAA being in Syria and protecting their country from foreign insurgents gets them a bombing from the coalition. You wouldn’t do that if they had the capacity to fight back. Assad doesn’t need to talk to YOU as YOU have no say in the future of Syria. As the Russians keep telling you, it will be the Syrian people that make the choice not a foreign power from the other side of the World. You may not have noticed but apart from a lot of rhetoric Netanyahu has gone quiet. Surprising how Putin has that effect on people like him ...... a quiet word in his ear and he backs off.

See, you display total recalcitrance. That is fine, We know that there are bsically (you mean ‘basically’? )no rules. Might equals might. (You mean might equals right’?) We will hold a vote in the Kurdish Controlled areas as well, and when 99.9% vote for independence we will just go right ahead and declare the Kurdish State which btw is resource rich and viable in its own right

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But they did vote few month s ago and they won the vote ........ and the US refused to recognise it! Pity the resources are not theirs. They belong to the Syrian nation as a whole. All the TC's are doing in the gas fields is just what you advocate ...... they are entitled to take what they see as their share!

What you fail to understand is that there is not and never has been a Kurdish State. What you seem to be saying is it’s OK to walk into someone else garden, declare it to be yours, build a house and stick two fingers up at the owner. Strange concepts you have of civilised behaviour.

BTW I: RT are saying hundreds if not thousands are dying daily in Afrin and they are not talking about Turks. The coalition is staying away so that they don’t shoot down Turkish air craft and the Kurds are getting hammered. I forgot ..... you don’t have RT in Australia.

BTW II: PM box is still empty!

[yialousa1971]

Pro-govt Syrian fighters begin entering Kurdish Afrin despite Turkish threats – Syrian TV

Published time: 20 Feb, 2018 14:32
Edited time: 20 Feb, 2018 15:31
source: https://www.rt.com/news/419337-syrian-f ... in-turkey/

A convoy of fighters waving Syrian flags has apparently entered the northern Kurdish-held region of Afrin, which Turkey is targeting in a cross-border operation, footage on Syrian state TV shows.

The pro-government fighters were filmed entering the village of Nubul in some 20 pickup trucks. An RT source on the ground has confirmed the movement of troops to Afrin.

A reporter at the scene for Syrian state agency SANA that the area where the fighters arrived has already been targeted by an attack from the Turkish side.

The deployment comes after a reported deal between Damascus and Kurdish authorities, which sought the involvement of the central government amid a continued fight against Turkey and the militias supported by Ankara.

Turkish officials earlier warned that their forces would lay siege to the city of Afrin if pro-Damascus fighters show up there.

[B25]

This is going to be very interesting. Since until now Russia has supported the Syrian Government, who's side will they now take??

The US has just swallowed Turkeys ejaculation and so will probably ease off, and before Turkey knows it its going to get into a shit state of a war and will have to think twice about troubling Greece and Cyprus.

Soto's balance of power is coming into fruition!