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[Lordo]

Here's the full story about what Akinci said and how Turkey responded:
https://ahvalnews.com/turkey-cyprus/tur ... ish-cyprus
Surely Akinci sometimes is brave enough to kick Turkey a little, but watching what he is doing regarding the Cyprob he is a puppet indeed as Maximus said. Just like Talat he cannot do a single move without getting the approval of Ankara.
Heck he spent over a year to agree with Anastasiades on just a 3 liner document how to restart the negotiations, he then went to Ankara to get their approval just to come back empty handed one more time. No matter how good his intentions are, unfortunately he can do nothing.
How any Cypriot can ever expect a solution under these conditions is beyond me.

The only way is for the TCs to get their fate in their own hands. Their standard of living is already very near to that of the GCs. THEY DON'T NEED TURKEY's FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE ANYMORE. Time to start ignoring her and time to do what they want. If they really want a solution then that's just down the corner.

more bullshit. at least make some effort as to why akinci is not agreeing to start the talks

I know the pretext. Absolute Political equality at every lever and every position and every decision plus rotating Presidency imish
You want more pretexts?
All GC refugees back to their homes.
All settlers back to Turkey
Varoshia back to their owners as per UN resolutions IMMEDIATELY.
Turkey to stop drilling in our seas.
You want a thousand more?

more bullshit i expected a bit more sense from you.
is it worth me explaining it to you? or are you going to be an ass about it?

where did you get all that bullshit from.

[Kikapu]

I stated way back that USA and Russia are trapping Turkey in Syria for a big fall. Yes, the Americans are moving out of the way of the Turks to allow them to come in deep into Syria. After so many years of keeping the Turks at bay and suddenly overnight to allow the Turks a free hand to go as deep as they want into Syria has to have plans behind all this moves. The Americans did not become anti Kurds since few day ago after they gave the Kurds training, weapons and money. Whether it is going to be Syrians and Russians destroy the Turks in Syria or the West, it’s the same difference. My money is on the Russians and the Americans working together to bring the Turks deep into Syria and then confront them knowing too well Erdogan won’t lose face and retreat when told to do so.

[Pyrpolizer]

Here's the full story about what Akinci said and how Turkey responded:
https://ahvalnews.com/turkey-cyprus/tur ... ish-cyprus
Surely Akinci sometimes is brave enough to kick Turkey a little, but watching what he is doing regarding the Cyprob he is a puppet indeed as Maximus said. Just like Talat he cannot do a single move without getting the approval of Ankara.
Heck he spent over a year to agree with Anastasiades on just a 3 liner document how to restart the negotiations, he then went to Ankara to get their approval just to come back empty handed one more time. No matter how good his intentions are, unfortunately he can do nothing.
How any Cypriot can ever expect a solution under these conditions is beyond me.

The only way is for the TCs to get their fate in their own hands. Their standard of living is already very near to that of the GCs. THEY DON'T NEED TURKEY's FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE ANYMORE. Time to start ignoring her and time to do what they want. If they really want a solution then that's just down the corner.

more bullshit. at least make some effort as to why akinci is not agreeing to start the talks

I know the pretext. Absolute Political equality at every lever and every position and every decision plus rotating Presidency imish
You want more pretexts?
All GC refugees back to their homes.
All settlers back to Turkey
Varoshia back to their owners as per UN resolutions IMMEDIATELY.
Turkey to stop drilling in our seas.
You want a thousand more?

more bullshit i expected a bit more sense from you.
is it worth me explaining it to you? or are you going to be an ass about it?

where did you get all that bullshit from.

Explain why it's bullshit and provide evidence.

[Lordo]

i will just deal with one, i cannot be bothered with any of theothers it wil take too long. all refugees to their homes is impossible. asking for it just goes to show how little you understand. i attended ameeting anastasiades attended in lse and that was asked by one of your more elam thinking compatriots and they were shcoked at the answer he gave. he told them if we were in 1975 6 or even 7 perhaps but now it is impossible. notice how he has not asked for that. btw do you intend to dig up all the dead and return them to their villages. you did say all the refugees right?

so you asking for it just about shows you are bullshitting.

but you claim you have a thousand more bullshits. there is no end to bulshitting as the fakin bull shits everyday like.

[Pyrpolizer]

i will just deal with one, i cannot be bothered with any of theothers it wil take too long. all refugees to their homes is impossible. asking for it just goes to show how little you understand. i attended ameeting anastasiades attended in lse and that was asked by one of your more elam thinking compatriots and they were shcoked at the answer he gave. he told them if we were in 1975 6 or even 7 perhaps but now it is impossible. notice how he has not asked for that.

so you asking for it just about shows you are bullshitting.

but you claim you have a thousand more bullshits. there is no end to bulshitting as the fakin bull shits everyday like.

I knew you were affected by the moon.
What I said was Akinci in Aug 2019 set terms that he knew could not be accepted.He did that for the sole purpose of using them as PRETEXT for not starting the negotiations.
When he finally yielded under the pressure of J.H. Lute he said he would go to Ankara for consultations before signing.
The result? He came back with more terms! And you are telling me he is not a puppet???

I further said that finding PRETEXTS by setting impossible terms is the easiest thing to do.
I gave you a list of terms the GC side could set, if it were after inventing pretexts to never start the negotiations.

And having been affected by the moon you thought it was bullshit and you started stirring it

[Lordo]

i will just deal with one, i cannot be bothered with any of theothers it wil take too long. all refugees to their homes is impossible. asking for it just goes to show how little you understand. i attended ameeting anastasiades attended in lse and that was asked by one of your more elam thinking compatriots and they were shcoked at the answer he gave. he told them if we were in 1975 6 or even 7 perhaps but now it is impossible. notice how he has not asked for that.

so you asking for it just about shows you are bullshitting.

but you claim you have a thousand more bullshits. there is no end to bulshitting as the fakin bull shits everyday like.

I knew you were affected by the moon.
What I said was Akinci in Aug 2019 set terms that he knew could not be accepted.He did that for the sole purpose of using them as PRETEXT for not starting the negotiations.
When he finally yielded under the pressure of J.H. Lute he said he would go to Ankara for consultations before signing.
The result? He came back with more terms! And you are telling me he is not a puppet???

I further said that finding PRETEXTS by setting impossible terms is the easiest thing to do.
I gave you a list of terms the GC side could set, if it were after inventing pretexts to never start the negotiations.

hang on a minute i can smell more bullshit. either he has power or he does not. you cannot say he cannot do anything by himself and then say he does and goes to seek aonsultations.

at least tell me the terms he asked for which he knew would not be acceptable, and while you are at it tell me how could make such demands without first checking with the boss.

acording to you how long has he been able to set the criteria and then consultation. you said he is a puppet. how? wtf??

you is just not making any sence at all.

let me tell you why he refuses to talk and it has nothing to do with erdokant or any other kant
1. he wants an agreement on resources now. which can't be that hard can it?
2. he wants conclusion orientated talks rather than open ended. who in their right mind would disagree with that.

there is nothing anybody can do or say to him.
it really is not rocket science.

[Lordo]

a bit of bad news for those who think that it is a trap and erdogan will suffer like saddam.

i feel your pain honestly. in the inimmateble words of milti

what plonkers.

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/522371948564706/

[Pyrpolizer]

hang on a minute i can smell more bullshit. either he has power or he does not. you cannot say he cannot do anything by himself and then say he does and goes to seek aonsultations.

at least tell me the terms he asked for which he knew would not be acceptable, and while you are at it tell me how could make such demands without first checking with the boss.

acording to you how long has he been able to set the criteria and then consultation. you said he is a puppet. how? wtf??

you is just not making any sence at all.

let me tell you why he refuses to talk and it has nothing to do with erdokant or any other kant
1. he wants an agreement on resources now. which can't be that hard can it?
2. he wants conclusion orientated talks rather than open ended. who in their right mind would disagree with that.

there is nothing anybody can do or say to him.
it really is not rocket science.

Ankara told him a long time ago he is NOT allowed to enter any negotiations.
The Initial pretext to delay them for at least one year were UK's elections. Imagine that!! As if the British elections had anything to do with the Cyprob.

As long as he could manage postponing them it was OK with Ankara. But time was up someday and he had no other option than sit down and talk with the SG envoy. That was tough. When he finally had no arguments he went to Ankara to get more instructions.He came back with more impossible terms. Simple! That's the role of a puppet.

Let me ask you a question:Suppose the pseudo state found hydrocarbons a few miles out of Kyrenia.
Would they ever accept to share anything with the GCs? Answer honestly.
Nevertheless Anastasiades proposed to create a special foreign account (if we ever get any money from that) for the TC side that could be used after a solution. But no, the pseudo State wants the money in cash as soon as they become available. You must be joking really. Another term by the TC+Turkey to find another excuse for not starting negotiations. But hey why should they, they already started crunching Varoshia illegally against all UN resolutions, so that they would eventually have nothing to give the GCs after a solution.

So he wants a time limited negotiations as well right? What for? To bring them to a dead end within days by not accepting anything and setting new impossible terms over and over again?
Do you think we are stupid ? Do you think we don't know what the plan under limited time negotiations is?
The plan is clear: When the time will be up, the TCs+Turkey will declare that they cannot agree on anything with the GCs, so the only option left is for 2 separate states legalizing the results of the invasion.
Nice huh?

Like I said the GC may too invent 100s of terms to freeze the negotiations if it wanted to. Why do you think it's only the Turkish side that seeks excuses and sets new impossible terms?

[Lordo]

more bullshit.

What I said was Akinci in Aug 2019 set terms that he knew could not be accepted

is what you said. august 2019.

what are they i am still waiting.

[repulsewarrior]

a bit of bad news for those who think that it is a trap and erdogan will suffer like saddam.

i feel your pain honestly. in the inimmateble words of milti

what plonkers.

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/522371948564706/

...it would be easy for Trump to put a lot of pressure on Turkey's social-economy; if Erdogan's Turkey goes too far. The assumption is that they made an agreement man-to-man, and it is time for Erdogan to demonstrate that while he is a leader who is not afraid to wield his power, he is a Statesman true to his word, in providing working solutions that can be held in high esteem.

...frankly, i don't fault Trump on this one; on the other hand, he must follow through. If not an Erdogan who delivers, a Trump to provide Justice seen. Otherwise it is Trump on which it reflects badly, and it is American credibility that is diminished.