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What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby yialousa1971 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:36 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Cap wrote:Interesting to read posts by 'Cypriots' who would NEVER leave their utopian Anglo adopted homelands to repatriate. But they're quick to decide what's best for the country.

:D :D

Cap's as much a foreign-born, recent immigrant as you are and therefore equally entitled to comment, even if all he can attempt are personal jibes. Like you,through total ignorance. :D Methinks, he needs to start watching out from feeling the sharp end of my Greek foot on his rear-end, next time he's out shopping. :)


Why is Cap shopping for womens cloths. :?
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby loyalcypriot10 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:25 pm

The only useful enosis is one between the Cypriot people . Greece is a faraway country with different dreams and aspirations.
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:58 pm

Me Ed wrote:I don't think so.

All Turkey will do is apply the basic principle that every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

For every Greek flag that's hoisted in free Cyprus, the Turks willl hoist a Turkish flag.

Everytime the free Cypriots sing the Greek National anthem, the Turks will sing the Turkish national anthem.

FInally, every twerp in free Cyprus that say's they are Greek, Turkey will import a Turk from the mainland in the occupied area.


What an idiotic point of view. You're basically saying that all those 200,000 GC refugees have to do, is deny their identity and Turkey will react by removing 200,000 Turks from the occupied areas and allow the GCs (now no longer Greek) back into their homes. :roll:

Be that as it may - Turkey's actions are wrong and condemned, worldwide. Bowing to them, as you seem to do, is however accepting them as justifiable acts.
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:44 pm

...really, the Cypriot challenge is to define a way of life where if you are not "Greek" you have the choice to integrate because as a Person there exists a form of self-representation which demonstrates that all Cypriots are equal.

...if we rise to this challenge the results may well turn Turkey, and other Nations as States, toward the same recognition and respect for the Minorities amongst them by providing for their special needs; that is why this issue, the Problem, is an International Issue.

...did "enosis" start here, with grivas? and if so is it fair to say that as a Cypriot idea it has evolved to have wider meanings. and if not, why is it taken to so strictly mean the annexation of Cyprus, in whole or in part, to another State of the same Nation of People?

...i don't think that after Independence, to the majority of the island's dwellers, it ever meant a Greek Post Office, or Greek money, or permission from Greece as Stewards of Cypriot affairs. furthermore, in a way enosis was acheived if this relates to "Greek" ideals, with the creation of the EU, never mind Cyprus joining as a full member. why can't enosis mean Peace, since that is its goal in the widest sense, why can't it evolve further so that all Cypriots unite to defend their Sovereignty, joined, mended, or whatever you want to call it, free.
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby AEKTZIS » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:35 pm

Greek Island girl, you are the breath of fresh air in this God forsaken place of a forum....

I thank God that this forum is NOT a microcosm of Cyprus in reality, otherwise I would be ashamed of my country.

Where I come from, when I speak to true Cypriots, they are proud of their roots and believe in the true values that we were raised with. Enosis is a concept. It is still relevant today. We can believe in Enosis in 2012 Cyprus, not a physical one (Enosis is impossible and would now mean going to full-scale war with Turkey), but nonetheless we can definitely believe in a cultural Enosis.

I.e. maintaining the Hellenic roots of the Cypriots, not allowing the propagandists and colonial remnants, and liars present to erode the all-important cultural LIFE on the island. Being able to sing the national anthem with pride in our own country. Where I am from in Cyprus, people are genuine and are proud of their roots. That will never change. We will continue to celebrate 25 March and 1st April, whether people like it or not.

25th March is also a very important date for the Greek Cypriots as it marks the day the Greeks began their fight to be freed from tyranny. Many Cypriots joined the fight and famously on 9 July 1821 thousands of Greek Cypriots were slaughtered in cold blood for this involvement. My own great great grandfather was imprisoned on 9 July 1821 (as he was mouxtari of the village) in Paphos, along with 1000 other mouxtarides. All of them were slaughtered in cold blood. He managed to escape and was spared, but he never forgot the brutality of the Ottomans. It remains important to commemorate these events. They commemorate wonderful things. Freedom, faith, life. Freedom is one of the greatest virtues one can have. The ability to act without oppression, without tyranny and slavery.
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby AEKTZIS » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:38 pm

Me Ed wrote:Enosis consists of dumb Cypriots like Kimon07 and GiG handing over our superior ways to the equally dumb Kalamares.

They are nothing like us.

Our Church is independent and pre-dates their inferior church and our language and DNA is separate from those bankrupt shistos.

Hell will freeze over before my beloved island is handed over to Greece.


Wait, arent you a Brit? Arent you a colonial remnant? I presume from "Ed" and from the incorrect, flawed drivel that you wrote, that you are a brit. Our language and DNA are MOST CERTAINLY related to Greece, and likewise our Church is a Greek Church.
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby humanist » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:38 pm

Me Ed .... am not a big fan of the Greeks either but that is a bit harsh don't you think? Individuals are people just like you and I. They had a corrupt system, they are paying the price for it and hopefully they will have learnt a lesson. It is sad to see people take their own lives because financially they are struggling. Just as is sad to se TC's take their lives because they do not want to live the oppression brought onto them by Turkey and few in their community who support the occupation of cyprus and hence the isolation of that community.
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:33 am

loyalcypriot10 wrote:The only useful enosis is one between the Cypriot people . Greece is a faraway country with different dreams and aspirations.

:D :D :D
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:35 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
loyalcypriot10 wrote:The only useful enosis is one between the Cypriot people . Greece is a faraway country with different dreams and aspirations.

:D :D :D


Why don't you pop in to Bennigan's in Limassol and check out their local [ .cy ] branches to see how close the cities of Cyprus and Greece are considered. Local branches of Bennigan's are listed as "Nicosia, Protaras, Limassol, Thessaloniki; and coming soon to Larnaca" :D
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby Me Ed » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:01 pm

Whilst I accept that my comments may have been harsh, I still stand by the sentiments:

I will NEVER accept rule by Greece in any shape or form.

There are some Cypriot "Greeks" on this forum that are attempting to redefine what Enosis means in the context of Cyprus, when it is in the Republic interests for them to just drop such notions.

There are also some Cypriot "Greeks" that want to deny that our colonial past had any influence on who we are today.

There are also some Cypriot "Greeks" that refuse to accept that the Church of Cyprus is completely separate from the Church of Greece, other than being in communion with each other through the wider Orthodox Catholic Church.
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